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Old 06-21-2016, 12:05 AM
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Exhaust Pipe Clicking

Hi all,
I have a Catalina 30 1980.

I had issues (up until now) where the engine would suddenly come to stop. We determined that it was a loose connector at the cockpit panel, after replacing many parts (the list is long and many hours of trial and error * pretty much everything was tested).

Now there is s constant and loud clicking noise "coming from inside of the exhaust pipe" located inside the port lazarette in the cockpit. I have owned the boat for 7 years, never replaced the pipe and the the noise was not present. This loud noise does not seem to interfere with proper engine operation.

Could someone shed some light with this issue?

Many thanks in advance, Dali
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:09 AM
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You're hearing a swing check valve flapper banging against its seat.
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:19 AM
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Thanks so much for your reply, someone at the club said the same thing.

Would you know why is this happening all of a sudden? And also, how do I repair this?
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:40 AM
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Those check valves aren't known for their reliability particularly due to the steel hinge pin. I'm hesitant to recommend doing away with a factory feature designed to protect the engine from backflooding but . . . . . .

You can always replace it but there's no assurance the new one won't make the same noise. If you decide on replacement, McMaster-Carr has them in stainless (I think the factory original was bronze).
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:20 AM
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Pretty bad when you're quoting yourself

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You're hearing a swing check valve flapper banging against its seat.
This thread reminded me that I hadn't heard this noise in quite a while suggesting I'd fallen victim to the steel flapper pivot pin and possibly developed an exhaust restriction because of it. Two days ago I removed the assembly with the check valve, took it apart it and found the flapper in place, only stuck open. As discussed in the thread, a decision had to be made re: eliminating the valve altogether or replacement. I opted for replacement for two reasons:
  • With the excellent winds in my area I often bury the port rail and in that attitude 99% of the exhaust system is below the waterline.
  • The Catalina 30 has a marginal waterlift exhaust design in the first place so I'd prefer all the backflood prevention I can get.
Therefore a new stainless check valve is on order. As long as I'm working on the system, new exhaust hose is on order too. Caution: the great exhaust hose price offered by Overton's ($73 for 12½ feet) didn't look so good when they added $167 for freight in the fine print at checkout.
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Talking Re-engineering needed

If ever there were a group of production boats that could benefit from a jacketed system, the Catalina 30 is it. Plenty of them out there and mostly well engineered except for that exhaust.
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My opinion is the Catalina design as installed at the factory is fine and nearly 8000 Catalina 30's bear this out. It's when owners who think they know more than the factory get involved and "improve" the design that problems result. Of course then it's a Catalina 30 with exhaust design problems and Catalina gets the blame.

I happen to think the Catalina 30 exhaust design is limited due to engine placement and cabinetry configuration therefore all the more reason to follow the factory example faithfully.
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So I wonder what came first at Catalina - the limitations due to engine placement and cabinet configuration, or the admonition to limit attempts at improvement?
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The Catalina 30 design originally and always had the engine under the aft dinette seat and always had a waterlift exhaust system, a successful waterlift system that by the incredible production numbers speaks to their design abilities. With the staggering number of boats produced - and successful exhaust systems within - improve what? I suggested it's the amateurish attempts at improvement by well intentioned but ignorant owners who thought they knew better screwing around with a carefully designed exhaust system that IMO has little tolerance for errors.
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The Catalina 30 design originally and always had the engine under the aft dinette seat and always had a waterlift exhaust system, a successful waterlift system that by the incredible production numbers speaks to their design abilities. With the staggering number of boats produced - and successful exhaust systems within - improve what? I suggested it's the amateurish attempts at improvement by well intentioned but ignorant owners who thought they knew better screwing around with a carefully designed exhaust system that IMO has little tolerance for errors.
This seems to be the final statement on the subject, If anyone wants to continue the discussion I can be contacted privately.
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To expand a little on Neil's C-30 comments, I will give my reasons for choosing this brand and size over other candidates. First, the cabin size is very generous, (wife likes it) secondly, it's glass and lower maintenance and thirdly, they have a good resale value. After getting to know the A-4, I realized that this was a far better engine choice than a diesel, for what I use the boat for, local cruising. Recently, I replaced the entire exhaust system, all 20 some feet of hose along with the hot section, and would not change the engine placement or the exhaust type in an attempt to improve things. Removing the galley top, about a 15 minute job, exposes the entire engine for service or removal. For over-size guys like me, being able to sit on a stool with your engine in front of you makes things much nicer than laying in a crawl space trying to remove a waterpump or service a shaftlog. I realise that must sound like a sales pitch but I feel that it is important to consider how accessible the important stuff is before making the purchase.
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Doing my 78' C30 repower I found said flapper inside the port sail locker. Replacing the hose I pulled it out and inspected it, it was in amazingly good working order. The hose attached to it had rotted off the transom thru hull but the flapper was in great shape. I left it in the system.

I hear it if I leave locker open and bilge blower turned off. Usually the bilge blower being only about 2 feet away in the same compartment muffles it out.
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Ok, I'll chime in since I am a C-30 guy that removed the flapper. I cruise on the Chesapeake Bay and rarely see the conditions Neil describes. As noted in previous posts, the problem child is the "hinge pin", but it is replaceable, and if the pin fails the flapper won't exit the housing because the ID of the pipe nipples is smaller than the flapper, so all the parts stay intact, but as I found, not necessarily in their designated locations.

I am currently running a Centek 90° fiberglass elbow where the flapper was just under the winch in the port locker, and I've had no issues, but please keep in mind all the cautions above..replacing the flapper hinge pin is an easy job compared to most.
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