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  • 2dogsfishin
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 56

    Oil flow direction in remote filter - Warning

    While this did not happen to an A4, it will still apply. We are now rebuilding Perkins 4.108 diesel boat engines, 13 last year and 8 so far this year.

    Often it is appropriate to attach a remote oil filter as the original attaches in an inconvenient place - hard to get to and leaks in the bilge when changing.

    After market remote oil filter kits are readily available with instructions as the oil must flow from the small holes surrounding the larger center hole through the filter element and then back into the engine via the larger center hole.
    The oil bypass valve, if so equipped, allows one way flow only or severely lessens pressure.

    This fellow who bought one of our rebuilt Perkins, installed the remote filter in the wrong direction, thus reducing oil pressure to around 10PSI. I some aircraft engines, if the flow is reversed it will blow the filter apart.

    Always assure you have the oil filter hoses attached appropriately.

    Even though we had sold this engine May 2013 and did not receive any notification regarding low oil pressure until July 2014, which is well over our one year warranty, we drove 500+ miles to check it out and discovered the problem. How much damage has been done to the engine? Depends on how many hours he used it with low oil pressure. We have offered to repair the engine, dissassemble, inspect and get it running again if he ships it to us and pays for parts. This means we eat about $1,500 in labor.

    This is a problem with some frugal sail boat owners. They may think that since they have been successful in their career, they can work on their boat's engine. I attended marine engine repair school, part time for two years in the early 70's when I could have been sailing or fishing.

    Beware! If you don't know what you are doing, hire a trained, qualified technician or, at least join a forum like this one and learn.

    Tom Vandiver, BSH Marine
  • Dave Neptune
    Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
    • Jan 2007
    • 5050

    #2
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    Well said Tom!!

    You still have that ole C-46 in the yard?

    Dave Neptune

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    • romantic comedy
      Afourian MVP
      • May 2007
      • 1943

      #3
      I agree Tom. problem for so many sailors is that they cant find that quailfied mechanic. I read the stories here all the time.

      I have years of experience as a mechanic, and I cant believe some of the things I often see.

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      • hanleyclifford
        Afourian MVP
        • Mar 2010
        • 6994

        #4
        I'm sure no one on this forum would run 10 psi for a year without asking some questions. You're being generous, Tom.

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        • joe_db
          Afourian MVP
          • May 2009
          • 4527

          #5
          Finding a good A4 mechanic can be next to impossible. That is the biggest weakness of our engines.
          Joe Della Barba
          Coquina
          C&C 35 MK I
          Maryland USA

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          • hanleyclifford
            Afourian MVP
            • Mar 2010
            • 6994

            #6
            Originally posted by joe_db View Post
            Finding a good A4 mechanic can be next to impossible. That is the biggest weakness of our engines.
            Aye, but necessity is the mother of invention and this Forum is filling the gap; we are all growing in mechanical ability and becoming a new corps of A4 mechanics.

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            • 2dogsfishin
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 56

              #7
              My Cal 46 is Still here

              Originally posted by Dave Neptune View Post
              Well said Tom!!

              You still have that ole C-46 in the yard?

              Dave Neptune
              After 33 years I must put her up for sale next spring. The nine years we cruised, 1988 to 2007 were the happiest in our lives. Actually it was better than we dreamed it would be. We are happy we retired early, age 50 and cruised while we were young and healthy.

              Too many health issues; total vestibular dysfunction (no balance), one titanium hip, one plastic knee and heart problems keep me at home. I have not been sailing in five years.

              So be it, life is good.

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              • roadnsky
                Afourian MVP
                • Dec 2008
                • 3127

                #8
                As my Father told me years ago...
                "your health is your wealth"

                (Thankfully, I listened)
                -Jerry

                'Lone Ranger'
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                1978 RANGER 30

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                • Mo
                  Afourian MVP
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 4519

                  #9
                  Originally posted by romantic comedy View Post
                  I agree Tom. problem for so many sailors is that they cant find that quailfied mechanic. I read the stories here all the time.

                  I have years of experience as a mechanic, and I cant believe some of the things I often see.
                  I tend to think along the lines of a sailors needs to bring themselves up to speed on every aspect of the boat. Many a sailor has lost crew when they lost faith in his ability to keep things on an even keel (so to speak)...once things go wrong one has to know how to deal with it.

                  Right now I have friends heading South on Bene 38's. One couple is just learning sailing, second year with the boat and about 500 miles sailed...and they are heading out and "returning when they are old". The other couple...Dave retired early, sailed all his life, can fix anything and has been South solo before. Dave is sticking with the first couple.

                  What we have here are two different mind-sets. The wide eyed, bushy tailed view of the sailors that see only the good, visions of sundowners on beautiful evenings, blissfully sailing along with not a care in the world. The other knows things can go wrong and that one thing going wrong generally is followed by another. He knows it's never one thing if you cannot fix, correct, or compensate for that issue. That's the sailor!!

                  Sailing cruising travel boating

                  This is another friend Max and his family. They crossed the pacific this spring...Max took a mechanics course on the specific engine in his boat as well as the transmission. He's had trouble with fuel, driveline... but was able to deal with it. Then life is good. He doesn't expect every day to be perfect, I'm sure, but he knows enough to know that he has some responsibility with things going well. Max did numerous races ocean sailing and built experience for a number of years prior to deciding he'd retire and go play. His wife was an avid sailor as well prior to deciding to take the kids around the world.

                  In the end, preparation is key!
                  Last edited by Mo; 08-31-2014, 05:48 AM.
                  Mo

                  "Odyssey"
                  1976 C&C 30 MKI

                  The pessimist complains about the wind.
                  The optimist expects it to change.
                  The realist adjusts the sails.
                  ...Sir William Arthur Ward.

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                  • ndutton
                    Afourian MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 9776

                    #10
                    Cruising author Larry Pardey (paraphrased)
                    There should be nothing on board you cannot repair yourself. There are no repairmen at sea.
                    Neil
                    1977 Catalina 30
                    San Pedro, California
                    prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                    Had my hands in a few others

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                    • joe_db
                      Afourian MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 4527

                      #11
                      I guess that counts my GPS out then, but do have 2 or 3 of them.
                      Joe Della Barba
                      Coquina
                      C&C 35 MK I
                      Maryland USA

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                      • ndutton
                        Afourian MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 9776

                        #12
                        Larry would agree re: GPS. He walked the walk too, no engine in an 18,000 lb. 28 foot boat, no electrical, no pressurized water, no auto bilge pump, no head, no depth sounder (lead line instead), knotmeter was a mechanical taffrail log. Cave man approach all the way.

                        I'd prefer to learn the systems and their repair rather than do without. Back to GPS, I'd consider it acceptable with backups as you mentioned but if cruising I'd also have the means and knowledge to navigate celestially just in case.
                        Neil
                        1977 Catalina 30
                        San Pedro, California
                        prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                        Had my hands in a few others

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                        • BunnyPlanet169
                          Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                          • May 2010
                          • 967

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ndutton View Post
                          Cave man approach all the way.
                          I think Lynn Pardey had a full tub for bathing on that boat, no? Old school cave man with style.
                          Jeff

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                          S/V Bunny Planet
                          1971 Bristol 29 #169

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                          • ndutton
                            Afourian MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 9776

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BunnyPlanet169 View Post
                            I think Lynn Pardey had a full tub for bathing on that boat, no? Old school cave man with style.
                            That is correct, the tub fit where the engine would have been. Where they got the water from is a mystery to me however.
                            Neil
                            1977 Catalina 30
                            San Pedro, California
                            prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                            Had my hands in a few others

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                            • romantic comedy
                              Afourian MVP
                              • May 2007
                              • 1943

                              #15
                              Another Larry quote "1 gallon of water is equal to a gallon of diesel". He was talking about using a diesel and water maker and batteries etc...

                              Basically you pay for a gallon of diesel to get a gallon of water.

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