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  • P30inbuffalo
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 34

    #61
    Originally posted by Will Jacocks View Post
    Is it necessary to do the pistons .020 over if you are using the rings? I always thought you can use the same pistons, just do the rings .020 over?

    Pull the pistons, check the rings fitting inside the sleeve for clearance. There is supposed to be a tiny gap where the rings touch together. You do this without the piston to check for fit. If too tight the shop did something wrong.
    I did check the ring gap on all the rings before installing them- by inserting the rings in the cylinder one by one and checking the gap. The gaps were all above the minimum.
    I too thought that you could re-use the pistons with new rings but the machine shop said not a good idea, they quoted some maximum clearance that this would exceed, and that using the smaller old pistons could result in pistons slapping the cylinder walls. I would rather not have spent the money unless its really necessary.
    Last edited by P30inbuffalo; 05-21-2011, 04:50 PM.
    Pearson 30
    Lake Erie - Buffalo

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
    -H. L. Mencken

    "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
    -Frank Wightman

    “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
    -Gen. Omar Bradley

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    • ndutton
      Afourian MVP
      • May 2009
      • 9601

      #62
      I was reading through the older posts on this thread and this comment from over three months ago caught my attention
      Originally posted by P30inbuffalo View Post
      For my engine compartment it seems like it will take hours just to trace where all the wires originate and terminate. Not sure how to approach this, just dive in I guess.
      If it were me, I wouldn't spend a second tracing what's there, I'd get rid of it and start anew. After all, how old is the existing wire anyway, 30 - 40 years? That's exactly what I did with mine and it was working fine when I jumped in (I know, nutty ain't it?)

      Since you're doing a full rebuild, why not go all the way with the connected systems as well? By replacing the electrical you'll be sure not to miss any hidden or difficult-to-find chafes, breaks or gremlins. There are a number of excellent diagrams on the forum to guide you through it.
      Neil
      1977 Catalina 30
      San Pedro, California
      prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
      Had my hands in a few others

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      • Don Moyer
        • Oct 2004
        • 2806

        #63
        If it's not too late, be sure to heed the note just before step 5 on page P5-3 of the MMI Service and Overhaul Manual. If you insure that you have a small amount of end-play on each side of the rod bearings as you torque the rod cap nuts to 25 foot pounds, it's good confirmation that the bearing shells are installed OK.

        Don

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        • P30inbuffalo
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 34

          #64
          Originally posted by ndutton View Post
          If it were me, I wouldn't spend a second tracing what's there, I'd get rid of it and start anew.
          Good advice, this is how I will approach it. Thanks
          Pearson 30
          Lake Erie - Buffalo

          "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
          -H. L. Mencken

          "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
          -Frank Wightman

          “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
          -Gen. Omar Bradley

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          • P30inbuffalo
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 34

            #65
            Reversing gear not going back together

            I'm in the last steps before bench testing the engine, and I'm having trouble with the reversing gear. The shifting lever seems jammed in position, I'm thinking it should move freely back and forth. A couple notes: the "yoke" is seated over the 2 studs coming out from the shaft, and the retaining clip on the nut shown is not installed yet. Any ideas?
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            Pearson 30
            Lake Erie - Buffalo

            "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
            -H. L. Mencken

            "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
            -Frank Wightman

            “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
            -Gen. Omar Bradley

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            • ILikeRust
              Afourian MVP
              • Sep 2010
              • 2198

              #66
              The photos show it as being engaged in forward. So you're unable to move the lever back to pull it into neutral or reverse?

              It will take some pressure to snap it out of forward engagement - those three fingers have to snap over the ridge on the sliding cone on the shaft.

              But if you can't even do that, I might suspect that you've got the reversing band tightened too tight. Loosen the adjusting nut on the band brake - if you've got it too tight, it would make it impossible to move the lever rearward, because the band brake would clamp down as soon as you try to move the lever back.

              That's all I can think of right now, looking at those photos. It looks to me like you've got it back together correctly.
              - Bill T.
              - Richmond, VA

              Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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              • ILikeRust
                Afourian MVP
                • Sep 2010
                • 2198

                #67
                By the way, it won't move "freely" into or out of forward - you've got to apply some force to overcome the detent in forward - it will snap into position. And then you've got to apply force to overcome the detent to snap it back out of forward into neutral. It should then move freely, but with a little resistance, into reverse. There is no detent to overcome in reverse.
                - Bill T.
                - Richmond, VA

                Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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                • P30inbuffalo
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 34

                  #68
                  It Works

                  Thanks, it just took a little force and it threw. Bench test tomorrow...
                  Pearson 30
                  Lake Erie - Buffalo

                  "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
                  -H. L. Mencken

                  "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
                  -Frank Wightman

                  “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
                  -Gen. Omar Bradley

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                  • Laker
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 454

                    #69
                    Better late than never comment - If you were shifting by means of the short cast lever alone , that would tale a lot of force. When my engine was on the bench I rigged a 14" temporary shift lever made from a broomstick for the purpose of shifting &adjusting.

                    Good luck on your run-up.
                    1966 Columbia 34 SABINA

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                    • P30inbuffalo
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 34

                      #70
                      Finally

                      Well, we set up the engine for our bench test. We corrected a leaking gasket on the fuel pump and bought an oil pressure guage and hooked it up.We were a little confused about initial starting procedure until we re-read the manual on this section,very well put together by the way. We hooked it all up and pressed the starter button ....and it fired and after tuning by rotating the distributor, purred like a kitten (a loud kitten). What an experience, we didnt realize how nervous we were about it starting until it actually ran. what a great experience overall. One of the best things I have ever done, thank you all for the guidance. I will post a video we took as soon as my brother emails it to me. Thank you!

                      Jim Lyon

                      Here's a link to us starting it up for the first time:


                      Last edited by P30inbuffalo; 06-06-2011, 08:59 AM.
                      Pearson 30
                      Lake Erie - Buffalo

                      "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
                      -H. L. Mencken

                      "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
                      -Frank Wightman

                      “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
                      -Gen. Omar Bradley

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                      • P30inbuffalo
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 34

                        #71
                        Startup video

                        Here's a link to us starting it up for the first time:


                        Pearson 30
                        Lake Erie - Buffalo

                        "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
                        -H. L. Mencken

                        "My experience with engines is that if you depend on them they fail you, but if it just doesn't matter, they serve you."
                        -Frank Wightman

                        “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living."
                        -Gen. Omar Bradley

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                        • Administrator
                          MMI Webmaster
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 2166

                          #72
                          Way to go, Jim!

                          The audio portion of the video should be particularly useful to others. Forum members frequently ask about the sound of the engine.

                          Bill

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                          • ILikeRust
                            Afourian MVP
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 2198

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Administrator View Post
                            The audio portion of the video should be particularly useful to others. Forum members frequently ask about the sound of the engine.

                            The A4 definitely has its own sound. And the neat thing is, I've so far heard three very different A4s running, and they all sound very much the same.
                            - Bill T.
                            - Richmond, VA

                            Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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                            • jpian0923
                              Afourian MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 976

                              #74
                              I love that sound.
                              "Jim"
                              S/V "Ahoi"
                              1967 Islander 29
                              Harbor Island, San Diego
                              2/7/67 A4 Engine Block date

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