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  • Oldlaxer1
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 192

    Prop cavitation

    We were out yesterday and motoring into a pretty stiff headwind and current. I upped the rpm's (Indigo prop, no tachometer) and after a minute or so the engine reved fully up as if I had accidentally shifted into neutral (I hadn't). I'm due for a short haul for bottom and prop cleaning so I'm thinking this could have been caused by barnacles on the prop and it suddenly cavitating. Does this sound feasible or should I be looking at tranny slippage as the culprit?
    John Novotny
    1973 Tartan 30 #186
    Baltimore, MD
  • roadnsky
    Afourian MVP
    • Dec 2008
    • 3127

    #2
    Sounds like pretty classic cavitation description.
    Did the prop "bite" again when you lowered RPM?
    Did it do this multiple times?
    -Jerry

    'Lone Ranger'
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    1978 RANGER 30

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    • Oldlaxer1
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 192

      #3
      It did bite once I lowered RPMs. It unnerved me enough that I didn't give it a chance to do it again
      John Novotny
      1973 Tartan 30 #186
      Baltimore, MD

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      • Easy Rider
        Afourian MVP
        • Feb 2007
        • 140

        #4
        was it rough enough that the prop may have come closer to the surface or perhaps the underwater flow changed the dynamics. Just a thought. When you slowed down and the prop "bit" was the boat bouncing around less?
        Chuck

        71 Ranger 29

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        • alcodiesel
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2015
          • 298

          #5
          "It did bite once I lowered RPMs."

          When my gearbox was slipping out of forward it would not re-engage by lowering RPMs. I had to manually shove it back into forward. Not a difficult adjustment, by the way.

          I am voting for cavitation, even though props on sailboats seem to be pretty far below the waterline.
          Bill McLean
          '76 Ericson 27
          :valhalla:
          Norfolk, VA

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          • joe_db
            Afourian MVP
            • May 2009
            • 4527

            #6
            Originally posted by alcodiesel View Post
            "It did bite once I lowered RPMs."

            When my gearbox was slipping out of forward it would not re-engage by lowering RPMs. I had to manually shove it back into forward. Not a difficult adjustment, by the way.

            I am voting for cavitation, even though props on sailboats seem to be pretty far below the waterline.
            Submarines suffer cavitation. This is when the pressure on the low pressure side of the blades gets low enough for the water to flash to steam. Ventilation, a common issue with outboards, is when air from the surface gets sucked into the prop.
            Joe Della Barba
            Coquina
            C&C 35 MK I
            Maryland USA

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            • Oldlaxer1
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 192

              #7
              Originally posted by Easy Rider View Post
              was it rough enough that the prop may have come closer to the surface or perhaps the underwater flow changed the dynamics. Just a thought. When you slowed down and the prop "bit" was the boat bouncing around less?
              Not terribly rough at that point so I don't think that caused it. On the Tartan 30 the prop exits through the trailing edge of the fin keel so it is almost in the middle of the boat.
              John Novotny
              1973 Tartan 30 #186
              Baltimore, MD

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              • Dave Neptune
                Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                • Jan 2007
                • 5050

                #8
                Is your shifter fully in the detent locking the forward clutches? How was the "power of the prop" up to the cavitation/clutch slippage?

                Just another thought.

                Dave Neptune

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                • Oldlaxer1
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 192

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dave Neptune View Post
                  Is your shifter fully in the detent locking the forward clutches? How was the "power of the prop" up to the cavitation/clutch slippage?

                  Just another thought.

                  Dave Neptune
                  I'm almost positive it was fully engaged. I told my wife when we went out earlier in the week that the bottom and prop probably needed cleaning because the boat felt much slower at cruising speed. I don't have a speedo so it is just how it felt. Last bottom and prop cleaning was about a year ago so I think we're due. I had just never experienced that before. First thought was we lost the prop!
                  Thanks everyone.
                  John Novotny
                  1973 Tartan 30 #186
                  Baltimore, MD

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                  • Dave Neptune
                    Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 5050

                    #10
                    A year is a very long time so it was probably cavitation. Get her cleaned, take her out and give it a bunch of throttle to see if the prop and trans hold.

                    Dave Neptune

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                    • sastanley
                      Afourian MVP
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 7030

                      #11
                      oldlaxer, the growth here on the Chesapeake has been phenomenal this year. Get the bottom/prop cleaned and report back.
                      -Shawn
                      "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
                      "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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                      • Oldlaxer1
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 192

                        #12
                        I got down to the boat last night and fired it up while tied up in the slip. I could run it just below cruise without issues. If I pushed it up just a bit I had 3 occurrences of the cavitation/slippage. Totally calm water. I'm beginning to believe it could be slippage rather than cavitation. I'm pulling out the manual and reading up on adjusting one notch. Before doing so I'll be checking the shifter cable to be sure it is not slipping at either end.
                        It will probably be next week before I can get back to the boat. I'm scheduling the short haul for the week of August 21 when we're back in town.
                        John Novotny
                        1973 Tartan 30 #186
                        Baltimore, MD

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                        • ndutton
                          Afourian MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 9776

                          #13
                          Please, please confirm a clean prop before messing with the gear.
                          Neil
                          1977 Catalina 30
                          San Pedro, California
                          prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                          Had my hands in a few others

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                          • Oldlaxer1
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 192

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ndutton View Post
                            Please, please confirm a clean prop before messing with the gear.
                            Got it. Thanks.
                            John Novotny
                            1973 Tartan 30 #186
                            Baltimore, MD

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                            • roadnsky
                              Afourian MVP
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 3127

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Oldlaxer1 View Post
                              I got down to the boat last night and fired it up while tied up in the slip. I could run it just below cruise without issues. If I pushed it up just a bit I had 3 occurrences of the cavitation/slippage. Totally calm water. I'm beginning to believe it could be slippage rather than cavitation.
                              Note that you are way more likely to have a cavitation episode while throttling up at the dock.
                              The reason is that you are not moving THRU the water giving the prop "clean" water to keep biting into.
                              Basically the prop is sitting in place and cutting a "hole" in the water.
                              Sort of like spinning your wheels in a mud hole.
                              -Jerry

                              'Lone Ranger'
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                              1978 RANGER 30

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