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  • 13jeff13
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 355

    #31
    Originally posted by Todmr View Post
    Jeff,

    Awesome job on your rebuild. I am in the process of figuring out everything I need to reassemble my A-4. I had a shop do some work on the engine and when I got it back all of the nuts and bolts came back in a bag. I had them all labelled as to where they went when it was dropped off. (I am missing quite a few, but have to figure out what I need ) I have a Moyer Manual which will help greatly. When the machine shop did the work on the crank, they left the pilot bearing in. I tried to turn it with my fingers and it won't budge. Do recall if your new one would spin pretty easy? I would expect it to spin pretty easy, but would like confirmation. I don't want to reassemble and have this go out on me!

    Thanks,
    Todd
    Yes the Bearing itself turns very easy,, but not the outer case of the bearing,, it was almost a press in fitting. and I recall the old one was difficult to get out,,, but I did, replace mine.

    Jeff.
    With Powerboats, it's about the destination. With Sailboats, you are already there.

    Jeff

    S/V Karinya
    1973 Grampian 30', Full Keel, A4 aux.
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    • 13jeff13
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 355

      #32
      Originally posted by Todmr View Post
      Jeff,

      Awesome job on your rebuild. I am in the process of figuring out everything I need to reassemble my A-4. I had a shop do some work on the engine and when I got it back all of the nuts and bolts came back in a bag. I had them all labelled as to where they went when it was dropped off. (I am missing quite a few, but have to figure out what I need ) I have a Moyer Manual which will help greatly. When the machine shop did the work on the crank, they left the pilot bearing in. I tried to turn it with my fingers and it won't budge. Do recall if your new one would spin pretty easy? I would expect it to spin pretty easy, but would like confirmation. I don't want to reassemble and have this go out on me!

      Thanks,
      Todd
      As for the nut and bolts. I separated all of mine and label them in plastic coffee cans.
      I then sandblasted and wire wheel them to make them look really nice and I separated them by size. Then when i reassembled I just took the size I need. A lot of the bolts I separated by quantity and size.
      With Powerboats, it's about the destination. With Sailboats, you are already there.

      Jeff

      S/V Karinya
      1973 Grampian 30', Full Keel, A4 aux.
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      • ILikeRust
        Afourian MVP
        • Sep 2010
        • 2212

        #33
        Another person with excellent taste in paint colors!
        - Bill T.
        - Richmond, VA

        Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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        • 13jeff13
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 355

          #34
          Originally posted by ILikeRust View Post
          Another person with excellent taste in paint colors!
          Thanks Bill. I remember when you picked your color, that I was going for the same color, As I recall you said yours was more of a Tractor Red,, Mine is Chevy Orange,,, I like the Orange and Black Theme with all the Brass fittings,, Looks Shippy,, and Kind of Has that Harley Edge,, haha.. It Has Been a Long Road but I hope to do a test Start This Week. My Biggest concern, is it seems awfully easy to turn over by hand. But I have been using Assembly Lube,, Maybe it's just well Lubed....

          Jeff
          With Powerboats, it's about the destination. With Sailboats, you are already there.

          Jeff

          S/V Karinya
          1973 Grampian 30', Full Keel, A4 aux.
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          • thatch
            Afourian MVP
            • Dec 2009
            • 1080

            #35
            Oil Pressure?

            Jeff,
            Excellent rebuild. These little engines do rotate very easilly by hand because of their low compression and light "ring drag". There is one thing that I like to do before putting the "fire" to a rebuilt engine which is to crank it over on the starter, with the ignition disconnected, long enough to let the oil pressure build. As I recall, there was another rebuild recently that had an oil pressure "glitch".
            Tom
            P.S. Sorry Bill.

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            • Marty Levenson
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2004
              • 689

              #36
              oil pressure

              Looking good!

              For sure crank her as Tom suggested to test oil pressure and ease the rings back to life before firing her up.

              I think he's remembering my ill fated rebuild, but the oil pressure problem turned out to be okay: a faulty meter.

              Good luck!
              Marty
              1967 Tartan 27
              Bowen Island, BC

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              • thatch
                Afourian MVP
                • Dec 2009
                • 1080

                #37
                Nope!

                Marty,
                Actually it wasn't you're faulty guage that I was referring to, but rather Bill's missing oil galley plug.
                Tom

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                • Marty Levenson
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 689

                  #38
                  oops..

                  I remember that one...! Inspiring perseverance.
                  Marty
                  1967 Tartan 27
                  Bowen Island, BC

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                  • ILikeRust
                    Afourian MVP
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 2212

                    #39
                    The quote of the day in this morning's newspaper was "Absent-mindedness is a form of freedom."

                    If that is the case, I must be extremely free indeed...
                    - Bill T.
                    - Richmond, VA

                    Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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                    • thatch
                      Afourian MVP
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1080

                      #40
                      Bill,
                      You did such an excellent job on your rebuild that many of us were quite puzzled with that oil pressure problem. Being able to go through the trouble shoothing process with you was an eye opener for sure.
                      Tom

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                      • ILikeRust
                        Afourian MVP
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 2212

                        #41
                        Well once I got that oil pressure thing addressed, there was the minor little issue of the ignition timing being 180 degrees out...
                        - Bill T.
                        - Richmond, VA

                        Relentless pursuer of lost causes

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                        • thatch
                          Afourian MVP
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1080

                          #42
                          "Great Minds"

                          Bill,
                          On a "test bench" A4 that I have named "Rusty" I etched in a beautiful set of timing marks on the flywheel exactly (you guessed it) 180 degrees out. Apparently it is easy to do on these little buggers.
                          Tom

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                          • ndutton
                            Afourian MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 9776

                            #43
                            Say WHAT??

                            Thatch,

                            Do you mean 180 out on the crank (flywheel) which translates to 90 out on the cam and distributor? 180 out on the distributor would be a correct timing mark on the flywheel, no? The crank doesn't care if it's on the compression stroke or the exhaust stroke, up is up.
                            Last edited by ndutton; 06-11-2012, 11:16 AM.
                            Neil
                            1977 Catalina 30
                            San Pedro, California
                            prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                            Had my hands in a few others

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                            • thatch
                              Afourian MVP
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1080

                              #44
                              Clarrification

                              Neil,
                              The flywheel was positioned using an extension through the center of the rolled pin in the crankshaft. In my case, I accidentally had this "extension" pointing down rather than up.
                              Tom

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                              • ndutton
                                Afourian MVP
                                • May 2009
                                • 9776

                                #45
                                10-4. That was one of the possibilities, the likely one.

                                Bill's issue was the other one, distributor reinstalled and firing on the exhaust stroke, 180 out on the distributor which translates to a deceptive 360 out on the flywheel.
                                Neil
                                1977 Catalina 30
                                San Pedro, California
                                prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                                Had my hands in a few others

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