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  • vindauga
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 11

    Stalls unless choked

    My A4 on my 1976 Ericson 27 has always run like a top but suddenly it I'm having a problem. It starts and idles fine but when I speed it up it wants to stall. Pulling the choke out about half way keeps it running but obviously there is a problem. There is no fuel filter (but after reading a bunch of these posts I'm going to put one in). I'm assuming that I have a fuel problem but I'm not sure where to start. Help! Thanks!
  • jhwelch
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 476

    #2
    It sounds like you may have a bit of grit in the main jet. When this has happened to me I've taken my carb. off and used compressed air to blow out all the jets and tubes. Other people will recommend using carb. cleaner. You may see this symptom if you have a small air leak, too, but from your lack of fuel filter I'd first suspect a tiny bit of grit.

    -Jonathan

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    • H3LlIoN
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 155

      #3
      Like he said, check for blockage. The choke restricts air flow to the engine, which would increase the AFR. If it was running fine, and you haven't messed with any screws, then something is starving the carb for fuel and causing it to run lean.
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      • sastanley
        Afourian MVP
        • Sep 2008
        • 6986

        #4
        vindauga, welcome to the forum.


        I agree that that main jet is likely clogged up..

        You can try to remove the main passage plug (it has a fiber washer that is fragile, be careful) and flush some fuel into a suitable jar or container and see if that helps...otherwise, the proper fix is to remove the carb and clean it using methods mentioned above.
        -Shawn
        "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
        "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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        • CalebD
          Afourian MVP
          • May 2007
          • 895

          #5
          Might also want to check your fuel supply as the E10 fuel seems to create crap that is just not good for continuous running.
          The pic below is from the last 2 gals in my tank that I hand pumped out.
          Oh, and the amber colored liquid is mostly gas while the darker colored liquid is not.
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          Last edited by CalebD; 08-15-2011, 12:26 AM. Reason: more
          Tartan 27 #328 owner born 1958
          A4 and boat are from 1967

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          • jpian0923
            Afourian MVP
            • Sep 2010
            • 976

            #6
            CalebD,

            Did you ever figure out what the black stuff was? I have a bad memory. And I don't listen well (I've been told).
            "Jim"
            S/V "Ahoi"
            1967 Islander 29
            Harbor Island, San Diego
            2/7/67 A4 Engine Block date

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            • CalebD
              Afourian MVP
              • May 2007
              • 895

              #7
              Crud

              Jim,
              That 'black stuff' floating underneath the amber looking fuel is most likely from E10 phase separating in my tank over the 7-8 years we've had the boat. Once the ethanol separates from the gasoline it traps H2O in the fuel. Water being heavier then gas floats underneath what passes for fuel.
              Otherwise the 'black stuff' is affectionately known as 'crud' does nothing good for your filters, carb or engine. It can cause difficult starting, stalling, a hunting tachometer and is just generally bad.
              Tartan 27 #328 owner born 1958
              A4 and boat are from 1967

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              • vindauga
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 11

                #8
                Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm embarassed to say that the problem was in the fuel bowl upstream of the pump. The screen was completely plugged and the bowl was about 1/3 full of crud. I never realized that this was something that I should check. I don't know why the engine ran at all. Order a new bowl, screen and gasket. Works great now. Oh by the way, another post mentioned that a small air leak would starve the engine but not show up as fuel leak. That's exactly what happened when I put the new bowl on. Engine wanted to stall but as soon as I gave the bowl nut one more turn it ran fine. Apparently enough of a leak to let air in but not let the fuel out.

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                • domenic
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 467

                  #9
                  Ethanol eats the fiberglass.Open your tank and see if there is stuff that looks like dark sand...that is fibergalss. ethanol ate a hole in my tank this past year. I had to replace my complete fuel system. When you see ethanol, say "Boooo."

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                  • sastanley
                    Afourian MVP
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 6986

                    #10
                    vindauga, thanks for the follow up. It always helps other A4 owners down the road when they search the archives for similar problems.

                    There are pics floating around here on the forum of the contents of my fuel pump bowl in late 2008 that look exactly like Caleb's 'fuel mixture' in his gallon jugs...it sounds like you found something similar.

                    I think I said the same thing: "I don't know how this poor engine ran at all.."

                    -Shawn
                    "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
                    "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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