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  • lat 64
    Afourian MVP
    • Oct 2008
    • 1994

    #76
    Dan,
    This all kinda breaks my heart because I know the work you have into this.
    I still hoping it's at the least in the top end(valve train), and can be fixed up relatively easy. It just clacks like that to me. Rod bearings coming apart have a more soulful deep and ominous knock that has a lower pitch. I hope for you I am right.
    What a drag when all you want to do is go sailing.

    IMHO not mixing up lifters is a general rule of good mechanics, but it's not going to make a bit of difference to a big noise like you have. I have rebuilt old-style ford v-8s(292 ci) with solid lifters that I reconditioned, mixed up, and even swapped in a few from other engines. They ran like a german sewing machines!
    Your lifters very well might be sticking though and that would be a great, in a relative way of thinking.

    Hoping for the best(least),

    Russ
    Last edited by lat 64; 02-09-2014, 05:50 PM.
    sigpic Whiskeyjack a '68 Columbia 36 rebuilt A-4 with 2:1

    "Since when is napping doing nothing?"

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    • ndutton
      Afourian MVP
      • May 2009
      • 9776

      #77
      My fingers are still crossed it's not a big end rod knock. Here's why - - Listening to the video the pop noise has an irregular frequency. It goes pop . . . . . pop-pop . . . . pop . . . . pop-pop-pop . . . pop . . . and so on. If it were a rod knock it would be consistent with a regular frequency at a given RPM like this: pop . . . pop . . . pop . . . pop . . . plus I would not expect it to be temperature sensitive. I agree with Russ too, I don't think the sound is deep pitched enough to be rod bearing related.

      Anyway, it's still a guess. I'm hoping for the best too.
      Last edited by ndutton; 02-09-2014, 07:49 PM.
      Neil
      1977 Catalina 30
      San Pedro, California
      prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
      Had my hands in a few others

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      • Dromo
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 217

        #78
        I AGREE ,SOUNDS LIKE THE TOP END ,
        I'S MORE OF A TICKING SOUND THEN A LOWER END KNOCK
        I KNOW THIS IS REALY REACHING . WHAT ABOUT A FALTY PVC VALVE?
        GOOD LUCK

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        • ndutton
          Afourian MVP
          • May 2009
          • 9776

          #79
          Originally posted by Dromo View Post
          I KNOW THIS IS REALLY REACHING . WHAT ABOUT A FAULTY PCV VALVE?
          Thanks Dromo. I saw it in the video but didn't want to be the one to mention it. Dan, worth a quick test with the PCV removed and the vacuum hose plugged??

          Be still my heart.
          Neil
          1977 Catalina 30
          San Pedro, California
          prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
          Had my hands in a few others

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          • Dan.Sev
            Senior Member
            • May 2013
            • 43

            #80
            Originally posted by ndutton View Post
            Thanks Dromo. I saw it in the video but didn't want to be the one to mention it. Dan, worth a quick test with the PCV removed and the vacuum hose plugged??

            Be still my heart.
            Not a bad idea. Its a new PCV valve but ill try it.

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            • Dan.Sev
              Senior Member
              • May 2013
              • 43

              #81
              Originally posted by lat 64 View Post
              Dan,
              IMHO not mixing up lifters is a general rule of good mechanics, but it's not going to make a bit of difference to a big noise like you have. I have rebuilt old-style ford v-8s(292 ci) with solid lifters that I reconditioned, mixed up, and even swapped in a few from other engines. They ran like a german sewing machines!
              Your lifters very well might be sticking though and that would be a great, in a relative way of thinking.

              Hoping for the best(least),

              Russ
              Truthfully, I didn't at first, but when the machine shop took them and cleaned them up, they mixed them all up. When I said something to him about it he said it would be fine. I now am a little more informed lol.

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              • ndutton
                Afourian MVP
                • May 2009
                • 9776

                #82
                Dude, it's been a great week with the rollout of the EWDS but if this turns out to to be caused by the PCV I'm buying a lottery ticket.
                Neil
                1977 Catalina 30
                San Pedro, California
                prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                Had my hands in a few others

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                • lat 64
                  Afourian MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1994

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Dan.Sev View Post
                  Truthfully, I didn't at first, but when the machine shop took them and cleaned them up, they mixed them all up. When I said something to him about it he said it would be fine. I now am a little more informed lol.
                  It's like everything, When you know a lot about something, You know what is relevant and what you can get away with. But when you are a beginner, you should always follow procedure.

                  The real issue is; What is really clacking away down there?

                  PCV: OMG! This will empty the barracks:

                  Aloha
                  sigpic Whiskeyjack a '68 Columbia 36 rebuilt A-4 with 2:1

                  "Since when is napping doing nothing?"

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                  • 67c&ccorv
                    Afourian MVP
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 1592

                    #84
                    FWIW I don't think it is a PVC valve - too loud IMO.

                    I am worried about the cylinder resleeving procedure - a very tricky job even for the best engine shops...especially from a shop that says mixing used valve lifters isn't a problem???

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                    • ndutton
                      Afourian MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 9776

                      #85
                      Originally posted by 67c&ccorv View Post
                      FWIW I don't think it is a PVC valve - too loud IMO.
                      Agree. I never heard a PCV clack like that but let a guy dream for a while, will ya?
                      Neil
                      1977 Catalina 30
                      San Pedro, California
                      prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                      Had my hands in a few others

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                      • 67c&ccorv
                        Afourian MVP
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1592

                        #86
                        All I can say Neil...is I hope "Dan.Sev" isn't short form for this guy!



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                        • sail_flathead_lake
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 112

                          #87
                          I'm new to all this, but after reading these comments I went back and looked at the valves in post #33, and something looks wrong to me. The fifth lifter back in the first video (intake for #4?) - the nut appears to rotate as the engine is cranked. Have a close look at the adjusting nut - it looks like it's free to turn. Is this right? None of the others look like that.

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                          • Tar34
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 93

                            #88
                            Yes I think the tappets are free to rotate...

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                            • Dan.Sev
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2013
                              • 43

                              #89
                              Originally posted by 67c&ccorv View Post
                              I am worried about the cylinder resleeving procedure - a very tricky job even for the best engine shops...especially from a shop that says mixing used valve lifters isn't a problem???


                              Come-on now, why do you have to say something evil like that.

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                              • Dan.Sev
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2013
                                • 43

                                #90
                                Originally posted by 67c&ccorv View Post
                                All I can say Neil...is I hope "Dan.Sev" isn't short form for this guy!



                                http://www.ufc.ca/fighter/Dan-Severn
                                lol. Close but no.

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