Fuel-Related Issue -- A Tale of Frustration & Success (finally!)

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  • Clucas
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 96

    Fuel-Related Issue -- A Tale of Frustration & Success (finally!)

    Thought I would share my recent experience diagnosing a fuel issue in my late model A4 on Grey Goose, a 1977 Pearson 30.

    I'm pretty meticulous about maintaining my A4 and last winter rebuilt both the carburetor and mechanical fuel pump. She ran without incident most of the summer, but wouldn't start after a two-week vacation during which Grey Goose sat on her mooring through some pretty rough weather. Some quick diagnoses suggested it was a fuel issue and that some ethanol or a foreign body had clogged the main jet. I removed the carb, gave it a thorough cleaning, changed the polishing filter and the fuel line from the filter to the carb in case it was breaking down. While I was at it, I operated the priming bail with the fuel line in a small cup to verify that it was operating. I reinstalled everything and she started right up, though would occasionally stall after a few minutes unless I first primed the fuel pump using the priming bail. Hmm...

    Several weeks ago, Grey Goose spent two consecutive weekends on the mooring and again wouldn't start. Frustrated, I once again removed the carb, cleaned, reinstalled -- no luck this time. Sediment bowl had fuel, but after emptying it, it wouldn't fill when I operated the priming bail. I suspected a pinhole leak somewhere in the copper fuel line from the tank to the primary filter. Called Don who wisely suggested replacing the copper fuel line and installing a rubber priming bulb between the tank and the primary filter, allowing me to prime the Racor element and pressurize the system to find any leaks. I detected a small leak at the input fitting to the primary filter and quickly took care of that with JB Weld. Primed using the rubber priming bulb and got fuel all the way to the sediment bowl. Got to be good now, right? Wrong. Removed the flame arrester - dry. No fuel. Opened the carb bowl drain - dry. <sigh> Back to the drawing board.

    Next... Removed the mechanical fuel pump, wondering if there might be a leak in the upper housing where the sediment bowl is fitted (with a new gasket). Sanded it down and double checked the pump diaphragm which seemed in bad shape despite being replaced last winter. Replaced the diaphragm and gaskets, reinstalled and... nuthin @#&*(!. Removed the fuel pump (again!) since fuel was now getting to the fuel pump but not to the carb. I opened the fuel pump and found that the fuel was never making it out of the sediment bowl -- the upper housing was bone dry. I removed the two small valves in the upper half of the fuel pump and, upon close inspection, found that the intake valve was stuck closed. A quick replacement (I had purchased another fuel pump rebuild kit to replace the diaphragm, so I had the valves on hand). Reassembled, hit the priming bail and heard the sweet sound of a gush of fuel. Hit the starter and she started immediately -- success. I checked the valves' operation with a small screwdriver and found that the intake valve was almost 'glued' closed (shellaced over?). This valve was replaced less than a year ago -- I'm guessing ethanol was the culprit, but suggest anyone having fuel-related shutdowns or starting problems to check these valves. It's the size of a nickel, but cost me considerable grief. Once discovered, it took maybe 15 minutes to replace the valves, reinstall the fuel pump and carb and reconnect fuel lines.

    My pain is your gain (Of course hindsight is 20/20, but I could have done a better job diagnosing the issue. Still got to a happy ending, though)
  • sastanley
    Afourian MVP
    • Sep 2008
    • 7030

    #2
    clucas, What a pain...your diagnostic skillz are admirable!

    I have a fully functional spare mech. fuel pump & carb aboard for situations like this. I've used the carb to make sure it works, but not the fuel pump, yet. I should probably plumb it in to be sure it will pump fuel.
    -Shawn
    "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
    "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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    • ndutton
      Afourian MVP
      • May 2009
      • 9776

      #3
      Hmmm, interesting. There's been a rash of mechanical fuel pump related posts lately. Wonder what's going on.
      Neil
      1977 Catalina 30
      San Pedro, California
      prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
      Had my hands in a few others

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      • roadnsky
        Afourian MVP
        • Dec 2008
        • 3127

        #4
        Originally posted by ndutton View Post
        Hmmm, interesting. There's been a rash of mechanical fuel pump related posts lately. Wonder what's going on.
        Maybe just payback for all the pokes at our Facet issues?
        -Jerry

        'Lone Ranger'
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        1978 RANGER 30

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        • 67c&ccorv
          Afourian MVP
          • Dec 2008
          • 1592

          #5
          Haa-haa!

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          • Clucas
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 96

            #6
            Originally posted by roadnsky View Post
            Maybe just payback for all the pokes at our Facet issues?
            Clearly, it's the work of Gremlins.



            The upside (and there's always an upside...) is that I'm at a point where I can now tear down a carb or fuel pump and rebuild with my eyes closed. From a diagnostics POV, I started with the carb and worked backwards, but overlooked a critical component of the fuel pump once I got fuel into the sediment bowl and progressed further 'upstream'. It wasn't until I realized that fuel wasn't getting past the sediment bowl that I had a 'V8' moment <headslap> and checked the valves.

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