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  • Jo Ross
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2021
    • 28

    #31
    I ran it with a compromised coolant pump gasket for like a half hour total. The dark gold paint started turning black on top of the manifold.

    Raw water cooled and I fresh water flush after every run.

    Actually, now I am noticing that it gets very hot very fast even though I have good coolant flow. I'm not very excited about that.

    4th cylinder spark plug shows a lot more soot than the other three but I can't find any reason for it.

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    • Dave Neptune
      Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
      • Jan 2007
      • 5050

      #32
      The back lowest plug will look blacker especially if the engine is running rich because the excess fuel will go down hill to the back due to gravity. How far out is the idle air screw? Try opening it a half turn to lean the idle a bit.

      Did you try closing the bypass if you have a valve to force more water through the block? You can pinch the hose with a C-clamp carefully if no valve.

      If you have a t-stat check it to be sure it is fully opening so it closes the bypass off. Remember it is a double acting t-stat not like the ones in cars. If you have an automotive type get rid of it. Many of us here run without a t-stat in raw water cooled engines.

      Any air being sucked in by the pump will drastically reduce water flow!! Install a new gasket before running again.

      Dave Neptune

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      • Jo Ross
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2021
        • 28

        #33
        What does it mean to "set the float"? I realized I don't know what that is talking about. The float valve in the carb? Or the idle jet screw?

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        • Jo Ross
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2021
          • 28

          #34
          And could the polishing filter being old be a cause of low power?
          I never have great luck finding these in the auto stores so I don't have them on hand.

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          • Dave Neptune
            Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
            • Jan 2007
            • 5050

            #35
            The float controls the level of the fuel in the carb for proper metering. If the float is set high the carb will be rich and if set to low the carb will be lean. It is a very important setting and instructions are included with most any carb kit. When adjusting the "tab" on the float that controls the needle and seat care must be taken. Only bend the tab by holding the tab with a pair of needle nose pliers and then bending the tab with another pair. Do not just bend it against the float. The bending must be done carefully and when done the float should be parallel with the body when the needle is closed. IE the bending into position is a 2 part for both height and parallelism. I like setting the A-4 about 1/16 of an inch low to lean down the overall mix across the throttle settings.
            Follow the directions in the rebuild kit. It is not hard you just need to be patient bending the little tab for float height and also the float angle for parallelism.
            Just remember to bend only the tab by holding with 2 needle nose pliers. Bending the float side for parallel and the tab end for height.

            The idle air screw on adjust the idle, out for lean and in for rich. It adjusts the air in the fuel not the fuel itself.

            Dave Neptune

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            • Dave Neptune
              Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
              • Jan 2007
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              #36
              The only way to check your filter is with a pressure gage (cheap) and it would not contribute to a "rich" mix. It can reduce power only if it is plugged up and reducing fuel pressure to feed the carb when power is applied with the throttle.

              Note the A-4 will achieve full power with a direct drive well before fully opened as the carb is capable of far more power and used on much larger engines too.

              Dave Neptune

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              • Jo Ross
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2021
                • 28

                #37
                I'm convinced that the pressure in the cylinders is the problem.
                I can achieve extremely high RPM in neutral with absolutely no issue. The carb is clean and I think working fine. The spark plugs all have spark. But I can't get pressure in any cylinder above 60 at idle (the 90psi noted earlier was with ignition coil disconnected and fuel line shut after multiple starter turns measuring with the gauge firmly in the spark plug place). Hull has been cleaned and prop verified not fouled. Fuel filter had no effect when bypassed. I looked at the valves through the galley and they all have full travel when the engine is rotated.

                The engine is not able to achieve power above a certain point and in fwd gear it peaks at 1500 rpm.

                I guess I'm going to just soak every valve in PB blaster overnight and try again in the morning to see if I break some sort of residue clear.

                If anyone has overcome this weird capped throttle response please let me know what you did.
                Last edited by Jo Ross; 07-12-2023, 01:37 PM.

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                • Dave Neptune
                  Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 5050

                  #38
                  To do a compression check all plugs should be removed, batteries fully charged, the throttle set to wide open and the choke fully open. This is so the engine can "breath" which it can't do if the throttle is closed. 90 psi is good compression and do you have an accurate compression gage?

                  It is normal for a direct drive to not respond after about 1/2 throttle and 1500 is close to normal depending on the pitch and diameter of the prop.

                  The mix is to rich so subtract a couple hundred RPM's right there. If the spark is not at the correct time (timing) another couple hundred RPM's can be attributed to that too.

                  What type of ignition do you have EI or points? Have you checked to see that the centrifugal advance is working smoothly (another couple hundred there too)?

                  What was it getting as far as RPM's before you had this trouble.

                  The prop that was on my Volador when I bought it would only get 13~1400 once it was properly tuned. I changed it for a smaller 2 blade (10" pitch) and got to 1800 RPM's then I went with the Indigo and got 2600+.

                  Stop revving the engine to high RPM's with no load it is very hard on the engine and yields absolutely no information.

                  Dave Neptune

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                  • Jo Ross
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2021
                    • 28

                    #39
                    I guess I should clarify that the lack of throttle response is NOT normal for the history of this engine. I've had it four years and have never had an issue revving high in FWD gear well beyond 1500 when needed. Cruising rpm has always been right at 1500.

                    Re-performed the compression check as you laid out and got closer to 100psi. Still lower than I'd like but I'll accept that it should be high enough to support power. Back to square 1.

                    I do have electric ignition and electric fuel pump. I have no experience or knowledge checking timing on that though. It's never been an issue but if this fails I guess I need to learn.

                    Agreed on not revving in neutral. I only did that to verify it was possible for the carb to keep up at speed.

                    Any tips on an easy way to inspect my exhaust to verify no blockage?
                    Last edited by Jo Ross; 07-12-2023, 02:55 PM.

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                    • capnward
                      Afourian MVP
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 335

                      #40
                      I would suggest you get one of those compression testers that actually screw into the spark plug holes like the plugs do. I have one and it is nice to not wonder if I have a tight enough seal on the plug hole. I always get readings over 100, and I had a bad overheating episode several years ago.
                      Timing involves turning the distributor, a procedure which is independent of whatever type of ignition and fuel pump you have. Good that you have EI.
                      Any Autoparts store will have metal inline fuel filters. They may not call them "polishing filters", but they work. I have two and replace them every year, they are cheap. And yes, once they get clogged even a little, they will restrict fuel flow.
                      Good luck on getting over 1600 RPM with a load. My maximum is about 1800, and I am fine with that. I have an Indigo prop.
                      Sounds to me like you are doing fine, with compression around 100 and cruising rpm of 1500. A little more available RPM would be nice but not essential. Try leaning the mixture by turning out the idle screw, turning in the adjustable main jet if you have one, or rotating the distributor counterclockwise a bit while running at cruising rpm. A leaner mixture will make the engine harder to start without the choke but may give higher maximum rpm with a load. Also make sure the centrifugal advance weights are clean and lubricated by turning the rotor. It should turn easily and snap back into place.
                      In my experience, adding MMO to the fuel keeps the valves clean.

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                      • Jo Ross
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2021
                        • 28

                        #41
                        Welllllllll I just pulled the leg of exhaust piping between the engine outlet and the box thing and tested the engine and it appears to be back to normal. There is clear bubbling in the leg of piping which probably compromises about half of the cross section, maybe more, and that has to be it, right? Going to replace that and then I'll report back on performance.

                        Thanks for your help on this so far, Dave. I feel dumb for not checking that sooner.

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                        • Dave Neptune
                          Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 5050

                          #42
                          Wow, good find. From your posts I was thinking a fuel or tune issue from what you were chasing.

                          What you have is the "Sneaky Pete" of performance drops. It is usually a slow process where performance drops outing to outing over many months. The excess back pressure will also cause your wet black plug.

                          Replacing the exhaust is rather a straight forward process. Remember to use "black pipe" an not galvanized as the galvanized will "off gas" some really nasty bad fumes. Stainless is also good but must be tightened securely as it will not do a "rust-seal" making it a bit tougher to fabricate and install however it will last a long long time.

                          And when cobbling the pipe together they do not have to be very tight and to get to some of the angles required that extra turn on large pipe may not be possible. No real need for sealant even in a sorta loose (hand tight) fitting. with in a couple of runs the rust in the pipe threads will seal it up "tight".

                          Dave Neptune

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