Changing this old water pump with what?

[PeterPaulS]

A couple of years ago I bought a beautiful aluminium sloop from 1946 with a very old Universal Atomic engine. It still runs pretty good and I treat it with love and care ofcourse. The only problem I have now and then has to do with the waterpump (see attachment). Obviously it's a very old one, one I can't find any picture of on the internet. As this works pretty sensitive and it's getting worn down, I have to replace the water pump one day soon.

And before that has to be done, I could certainly appreciate anyone's advise. I thought it would be sensible to replace it by a waterpump without a grease
cup. This is less sensitive, and it prevends the grease coming in my engine.

Does anyone knows what type of water pump this is?
Is changing to one without a grease cup even possible?
And changing with which one then? And where can I buy that one?

I think it's also wise to immediately clean up the inside cooling system of
the engine as well. Could anyone tell me how to do that?

Thanks in advance for your help!

[lat 64]

Thats a cool old pump.
I'm sure the guys at Moyer might have seen one or two.
I investigated rebuilding my 1968 Sherwood pump that I can still get parts for (~$100).
The problem is, I would still have an old pump. So, I just ordered the Moyer pump with sealed bearings and easy hand screws. It moves more water and is just awesome. (Product No. - CSOB_00.1_501)
I'm sure it would fit on the same flange mount. I just wrote a check and my problem went away, with a net gain in performance, ease of maintenance, longevity, and peace of mind.

The price just went up, but that would not change my mind.

That's a cool boat too. Can you give us a shot of it? Kettenburg built some aluminum boats, is that one?

Russ

PS, forgot to say: Yes, The new pump has no grease cup.

[67c&ccorv]

That is the old gear driven water pump (I think?) - nice!

[PeterPaulS]

thanks for the help!

@ Lat 64, I guess you mean the MMI 502 pump then as the bolts should be in the direction of the axis.

Isn't the Axis going to be a problem then, because I don't know how the axis is attached right now and how it should be attached with the MMI 502?

I don't think it's a Kettenburg, but honestly I have no idea. Here are some more pictures

@ 67c&ccorv, it is indeed one of the old gear pumps. Do you know by chance the exact name of the pump and the producer?

[joec43]

"Pot 'O' Gold", a 1969 Morgan complete with A4 came with a gear driven water pump (I still have it in the parts bin).

The new pump did indeed fit into the same holes, and worked (works) great.

Personally, I highly recommend the change, and it will be one thing you shouldn't have to think about again.

Have fun with the engine, and as always, YMMV.

Joe
potogold.wordpress.com

[Administrator]

Gee, that is one beautiful boat!

Bill

[lat 64]

Très bien!
She is lovely.
I am now thinking you are in western Europe, no?
My best guess is France near Breast but the weather is so nice. Maybe further south?
Your boat looks like an old lifeboat from the great conflict that ended in 1945.
I think probably a navy captain left the service then and fixed it up to be used as as sailboat.

Russ

[roadnsky]

Perhaps somewhere along the Canal du Midi?

[PeterPaulS]

Thanks for the compliments. I fell in love with it the first time i saw it. And i too think she comes from an English vessel, so you probably right about the navy guy from the second world war...

Besides that you convinced me tot buy the pump.

And for as where these pictures are taken you all have to search much further north. More specifically, in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Big surprise?

[sastanley]

PPS, I think you need to get on the phone/msg/email with Don Moyer and find out about what parts from A4's will fit onto yours. I would suspect he has some answers. Based on the Universal history most of us have read being interested in these motors, I'd think it is quite a few!

[Kelly]

Netherlands

Come on you guessers...all the clues were there: Dutch flag, European license plates, guillotine windows (don't have those in France, brings back bad revolutionary memories...)

[ArtJ]

Thats a cool old pump.
I'm sure the guys at Moyer might have seen one or two.
I investigated rebuilding my 1968 Sherwood pump that I can still get parts for (~$100).
The problem is, I would still have an old pump. So, I just ordered the Moyer pump with sealed bearings and easy hand screws. It moves more water and is just awesome. (Product No. - CSOB_00.1_501)
I'm sure it would fit on the same flange mount. I just wrote a check and my problem went away, with a net gain in performance, ease of maintenance, longevity, and peace of mind.

The price just went up, but that would not change my mind.

That's a cool boat too. Can you give us a shot of it? Kettenburg built some aluminum boats, is that one?

Russ

PS, forgot to say: Yes, The new pump has no grease cup.

Hi Russ
I have a older Sherwood pump. Could you please give me contact information
for the source of parts for it?

Thank you very much

Art

[lat 64]

Art,

It's

http://www.depcopump.com

I think Ken told me about them.

Yea, I knew it was Dutch all along, I just saw the "tricolour" and felt compelled to go get a glass of wine. My bad.
r.