Triton in Chester

[Hymodyne]

I have picked up a '63 Pearson Triton, to replace our Cape Dory22. The Triton is on the hard in Chester, MD, storage arranged through April.

I need to get her to the Nanticoke Marina, in Nanticoke, MD; If I sail her, how long should it take, and if I trailer her there what is a fair price for the distance?

James

[edwardc]

James,

Assuming you don't want to sail overnight, its doable in two days.
(the days are still short in April)
For the first leg, sail to Solomon's Island. At 5 kts that should
be about 8 hours. Take a slip in in either Spring Cove or Zanheiser's
Marinas.

Then head to Nanticoke on the second day. This is a slightly shorter leg,
so it will give you more time to "move in" at the end.

[Hymodyne]

thanks Ed!

[joe_db]

I am likely about 5 minutes from your boat if you need her checked on. And as mentioned, a 2 day sail.

[Hymodyne]

thanks Joe, we're at island view marina, about an hour and a half from Salisbury. I hope to have the boat surveyed for insurance purposes before the holidays, and want to come by and do some work over the winter break and months until april.

so far the list is:

haul out and evaluate A4

refit main cabin
recore deck areas where needed

James

[Hymodyne]

Greetings,

My wife and I have been making the trip from Salisbury to Chester, Md, to work on the boat on weekends. I have been concentrating on tearing out and replacing the old delaminated cabin sole. I'm now fitting a 3/4" marine ply sub-floor, and I plan to finish the sole with teak. I have two new bilge pumps installed, one with a switch, one automatic. The A4 in this boat is not working. I'm tearing out the original icebox and galley before I sail her back to Nanticoke, so I will be able to inspect the stuffing box and other items astern before sailing to Cedar Hill Marina on the Nanticoke in Bivalve.

There was no kicker on this boat, so this first sail will have to be attempted with no auxiliary power. Is there a way to have aux power beside oars? what size boat/motor would be needed to properly tow a 8500 lb. boat the distance in question?

I've looked into trailering her there, I have quotes for $900 and $500, but before loading, I'd have to pay the $500.00 the Marinia where I'm at charges to unstep my mast first--at least $1000.00 out of pocket before I get her anywhere...hmmm. think I'll sail and unstep with a ginpole at Cedar Hill for free.

again, suggestions for auxiliary power or towing options would be appreciated.
James
James

[sastanley]

James, I think it might be cheaper to get the motor running!! - Any more details on the problems with the A-4?

With all the effort you are putting into the other parts of the boat, some time and a little money into the A-4 is justified in my opinion.

Give us some more details, we are all here to help. I am in the Solomons area..a 10 minute drive from the marinas Ed mentioned. I know Crisfield, MD and have done that trip many times from Solomons, but not Salisbury. The two-day recommended sounds reasonable, but they are still 40+ NM trips per day...it would be really nice to have a reliable inboard to push me at 4-5 knots as needed (a long trip like that will have a tide/current change either/both ways, which is ~1.5 knots in the Chesapeake!)

[TomG]

James,

What's the story on the A-4? Will it not turn over? No compression? How bad is it?

I've used Island View for my old Catalina refit and really liked Bruzz and Maxine. I heard that Bruzz passed away a little while back. Anyway, getting in and out of Island View and Crab Alley in a boat that draws as much as a Triton without auxiliary power could be a real adventure. And that's just getting out to Eastern Bay!

[hanleyclifford]

Originally Posted by TomG

James,

What's the story on the A-4? Will it not turn over? No compression? How bad is it?

I've used Island View for my old Catalina refit and really liked Bruzz and Maxine. I heard that Bruzz passed away a little while back. Anyway, getting in and out of Island View and Crab Alley in a boat that draws as much as a Triton without auxiliary power could be a real adventure. And that's just getting out to Eastern Bay!

+1 and Amen. The only way I might consider such a move is if I had a strong dingy with an engine that I could make up "on the hip" if I had to. The trip could also involve many waits at anchor on tidal issues. Let's have a go at that A4.

[edwardc]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

... suggestions for auxiliary power or towing options would be appreciated.
James
James

In 2010, we found ourselves stranded in Knapps Narrows with an irrepairable A4 (cracked block).

After a day of tinkering I was able to fashon a motor mount clamped onto the stern ladder, and put our 5 HP dinghy outboard on it. The wood pads were to spread out the force to keep the ladder feet from dimpling the hull.

It worked pretty well, although large swells would cause the prop to momentarily come up out of the water. This jury-rig was able to push our 12,800 lb Pearson 323 along at about 3 kts, which allowed us to get back to our home port on the Patapsco in two days.

[Hymodyne]

Many thanks, all.

I will try to get some pictures of the A4 soon and post. It is an early model engine, with a alternator/generator I do not recognize. Based on water lines inside, It sat with water up to the top of the pan inside the boat. It has been on the hard there for at least three years.

Ed, your account with the outboard is more along the lines of what I am planning; the triton has a rear ladder too, and it may be easier to buy/borrow an outboard than it will be to inspect, diagnose and repair the A4. With comments about tides and water depth in the area where she is now, towing is looking better all the time.
James

[hanleyclifford]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

Many thanks, all.

I will try to get some pictures of the A4 soon and post. It is an early model engine, with a alternator/generator I do not recognize. Based on water lines inside, It sat with water up to the top of the pan inside the boat. It has been on the hard there for at least three years.

Ed, your account with the outboard is more along the lines of what I am planning; the triton has a rear ladder too, and it may be easier to buy/borrow an outboard than it will be to inspect, diagnose and repair the A4. With comments about tides and water depth in the area where she is now, towing is looking better all the time.
James

I did not get that the A4 had been in the water; that changes the picture a lot. Not good to sink money into an engine that may be no good. I like Ed's solution. In fact, I have moved my boat with a 4 hp Evinrude on my dingy, made up solid on the hip (engine straight ahead) and using the ship's tiller, but mostly in tight places and still water.

[Ajax]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

Many thanks, all.

I will try to get some pictures of the A4 soon and post. It is an early model engine, with a alternator/generator I do not recognize. Based on water lines inside, It sat with water up to the top of the pan inside the boat. It has been on the hard there for at least three years.

Ed, your account with the outboard is more along the lines of what I am planning; the triton has a rear ladder too, and it may be easier to buy/borrow an outboard than it will be to inspect, diagnose and repair the A4. With comments about tides and water depth in the area where she is now, towing is looking better all the time.
James

Choose your weather windows wisely. We've had extensive, howling winds for several days and several more to come, as I'm sure you know.

Not a good time to get overwhelmed while hip-towing with a rubber boat.

[sastanley]

Ed, nice looking jury rig! I bet doing IFR (In-Flight-Refueling) every 35-40 minutes was big fun!

Necessity is the mother of invention, or something.

[tenders]

I think I saw that outboard photo on the cover of Redneck Yachtsman Magazine. The fact that the tape is white instead of silver gives it a slightly regal bearing.

[The Garbone]

A video of hip tied dink.

http://youtu.be/30JGacXSjew


BTW. KTL is an awesome site and you could get lost in his videos for days.

[Hymodyne]

Another option, on the hip. I have an Achilles inflatable dingy, I might start looking for a small 4 stroke I could use like shown.

Mild rant:
Haulers are very expensive. I received quotes today for n 80 mile trip between 900 and 3200 dollars (Hydraulic trailer). what the

back to sail/motor to cedar hill.
James

[sastanley]

James, that is what I expected..for haulers...let's see what we can do to get your boat running without help..but the news about the engine being submersed is an issue...Ed's plan, which worked for him, might work just fine for a one way trip where we can then help fix the inboard. Does the motor turn over with a hand crank or the starter??!!?!?!?

[ndutton]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

Mild rant:
Haulers are very expensive. I received quotes today for an 80 mile trip between 900 and 3200 dollars (Hydraulic trailer). what the

29 years ago I had my Westsail hauled from the build yard in Newport to Marina Shipyard in Long Beach, 15 miles up Pacific Coast Highway. Hand load in the build yard, crane offload at the shipyard - $1100.00 (a quarter bazillion in today's currency). Your lower end quotes don't sound that bad to me.

[Hymodyne]

I will check the status of the motor soon and report. What about borrowing a traditional trailer to make the move?
james

Originally Posted by sastanley

James, that is what I expected..for haulers...let's see what we can do to get your boat running without help..but the news about the engine being submersed is an issue...Ed's plan, which worked for him, might work just fine for a one way trip where we can then help fix the inboard. Does the motor turn over with a hand crank or the starter??!!?!?!?

[Mo]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

I will check the status of the motor soon and report. What about borrowing a traditional trailer to make the move?
james

I've seen a few smaller boats moved on tow trucks tilt decks. Biggest concerns are:
-height once on the truck. Need to ensure it will go under infrastructure on route such as overpasses, wires etc.
-when being loaded, we had to remove rudders on most boats because as they tilt and are winched up the deck, the rudder may not have clearance and hit the ground and drag.

Those moves usually leave the boat on its cradle and suck it up onto the truck.

If borrowing a trailer one has to ensure it is strong enough, especially if it has stands built in. Most trailer made for transport are fine for the boat they were constructed for. Just a couple of years back a guy was killed up this way when towing a 24 ft sailboat...sudden stop and the boat kept coming killing a man in the cab of pickup that was towing in. So you need figure all that out.

Professional boat mover is the best thing to do if you don't sail it. They take all the responsibility and risk. Tow truck, tilt bed might be the second option as they also take the responsibility and risk...just a matter of getting it on there and checking clearance.

[Hymodyne]

I spoke to the owner of the boatyard in bivalve where we keep our boat, and he encouraged me to prepare the boat properly and then sail her back up the nanticoke. After I find a good 5-7.5 hp motor for the Achilles hip boat, I plan to sail her back in mid june.

James

[Dusty1]

Hymodyne
Im at Island View also and would be glad to give you a hand.

The Nanticoke is a wonderful windy river through the marshes but one needs to beware of barge traffic and currents. I recommend that you have a set up that offers a high degree of maneuverability.

[edwardc]

Originally Posted by Hymodyne

...After I find a good 5-7.5 hp motor for the Achilles hip boat, I plan to sail her back in mid june. ...

James,

I have a used 6HP 2-stroke Evinrude long shaft outboard, circa 1992. It was running great when I took it off of our previous boat, and it has sat unused in our garage for the last 6 years.

PM me if you're interested.

[Administrator]

Here's a bit of a reality check regarding the cost of moving the boat by land...

A local company transports lots of boats in the Rock Hall area, and he charges between $250 - $400.00 just to bring them from a "local" marina to a local shop. Additional charges for wide loads.

HTH.

Bill