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Old 10-06-2010, 12:54 PM
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Jay and Ebben - Those pictures do indeed tell a sordid tale but as 2Dogs and I have both indicated the block is still salvageable, albeit at a cost greater than simply getting another used engine and marrying up the good parts. That said, I urge you to save everything in good order, not discarding anything even if it looks like junk. Since you have expressed an interest in an engine I have, I have dragged it out from under the bench where it has accumulated layers of dust and dirt for 12 years. The pictures that follow are raw "as dragged" except where I tried to wipe the brass plate on the gear box cover. All the parts that are missing I have except the cylnder head. Next I will clean the exterior with compressed air etc. I hope this will be the beginning of a successfull "before and after" saga. All the best, Hanley

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Old 10-06-2010, 01:12 PM
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she's beautiful!

Hanley,

Speechless.... I feel like a first time father looking at the EKG of his 2nd child! I'm in love!

Even more exciting is that I can't wait to show the moto on-line pin-ups to Ebben who is at this moment is in his woodworking elective in middle school. I'll have to teach him how to adjust his eyes and see the beauty! I can tell you.... at first glance he'll think we've got to be kidding him, but WE'LL show him! Adding to the charm of the project is your extraordinary "look what we got here" photos!

Don't bother with the air compressor too much... but if you wouldn't mind spraying it liberally & lovingly with some penetrating oil once a week (or more!) Ebben could be dismantling it while his mother is driving us back to the shop! - how she puts up with us I'll never understand.

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Despite appearances the cylinders have been kept oily and the engine turns freely with the crank. Note the original copper head gasket. I don't believe this engine has ever been taken down.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:21 PM
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Hanley, Make sure you tell Ebben that Don feels the early model castings are of superior alloy to the late models. He will be one of the few to have an original brass oil change pump.
You‘re the type of member that draws me to this site often. Take a photo of the pick up and loading. Next set of plugs are on me mate. Do you like them hot or cold...I'm sure Ken has your address.
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Old 10-06-2010, 09:02 PM
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Hanley, got any more blocks floating around? I can't tell if mine is rusting away from the inside out or the outside in!? Despite an old salt at a local watering hole this afternoon telling me to ditch the gasoline (turns out he worked for Westerbeke when the went up and shut down Universal in OshKosh), my plan is to build another motor in the garage and have it ready to drop in when needed.

I am half joking..I think I have a few more years left on this engine..I am trying to convince the wife that the fresh water cooling is an investment!

If only someone was still casting A4 blocks!
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:14 AM
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Jay and Ebben - Last night I set all pistons at half stroke and filled the cylinders with MMO. Overnight all except #3 held the oil, but this does not necessarily mean trouble. All 4 cylinders are smooth with no scoring whatsoever. Pistons are marked 2.5605. A compressed air blast revealed the original color. I will now start soaking with WD 40. All the best, Hanley

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Hey Shawn,
I don't bother listening to "old salts" anymore, especially at bars. When they are grumbling about installing a new Yanmar (after only 10 or 15 years) or whinning about bleeding diesel lines or replacing injectors, I tell them they should get rid of those blasted diesels and switch to gas! Then I tell them how sweetly my 40 year old engine purrs along, and (hopefully) still will be when their "new" engine packs it in a decade from now.
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A single injector for a Westerbeke diesel engine is roughly $500 these days, not counting labor to install. The Westerbeke water pump is about the same price.

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Old 10-08-2010, 09:44 AM
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I hear ya Micah....from the looks of this guy and the way he was putting back drinks (and I like a few beers as much as the next guy), it sounds like he's spent a lot of years grumbling at the bar. It was still a much better discussion than making small talk about sports and the weather...don't usually find too many other sailors I don't already know at the local Outback.
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Actually these are not hijacks because they bear on the very important matter of preserving the remaining limited number of A4 engines which continue to prove their usefullness despite the ballyhoo of the dark diesel community of conspiracy engineered by Westerbeke. What a "thorn in the side" the Moyer organization must be to the Westerbekes of the world!
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This raises an interesting thought that might make for a good poll question: if your A4 totally died beyond recovery, would you (A) replace with a diesel, (B) replace with another A4, or (C) hang an outboard off the transom?

I only paid $6500 for my '78 Newport 28. I don't think I could justify the expense of putting a diesel in, thought it might be a tossup between a new A4 or an outboard. Outboards are expensive -- I don't think it would be too hard to find an outboard more expensive than a new A4, and I like having an inboard engine as a power supply.
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My sense is that boats over approximately 25' or so, unless they were made for an outboard, operating the outboard is a royal pain in the neck. Don't get me wrong, there are many benefits to an outboard but reaching controls and raising and lowering it can be a hassle if the boat does not have a well or some other designed in feature for outboards. Besides, and outboard hanging off the back is kind of out of place looking on sailboats we are used to seeing without them. But then again I'm a bit bias as I have an inboard A4. What more could one want?

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An outboard would be ok for getting in and out of the marina and knocking around the harbor but if you plan on moving thru big water (like the Chesapeake) or running the Sound or the Jersey coast, you better have your engine in the boat with you!
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In the first page of this thread Lat posted a picture of a simple engine bench. Anyone know the dimension between the fore & aft stiringers upon which the A4 is resting ? Probably alresdy given , but I did not find it.

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According to the Universal spec sheets the dimension athwarthship motor mount to motor mount is 11 1/2" on center.
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Ah , yes , I remeber now. Thanks.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for all of your help

It has been quite an experience...

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There is really nothing like taking apart an engine...it's quite an expierience
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The next phase

To all - Jay and Ebben just left with (new to them) A4. The saga of the 12 year old rebuild now enters a new chapter. Let's give them all the help possible. Regards, Hanley

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To all - Jay and Ebben just left with (new to them) A4. The saga of the 12 year old rebuild now enters a new chapter. Let's give them all the help possible. Regards, Hanley
you gave it to them for free?

what luck! you guys are too kind, it's too bad I don't have nice people like you near me
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Hanley,
That was a very nice thing to do, above and beyond the call.
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excellent...great picture! Look at that grin!
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That motor sure is a thing of beauty! Thanks for everyone's enthusiasm towards the project!

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I made a video of all of the picture from picking up the engine... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10SF4lTjt5Y

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Can we assume the person running the John Deere is Hanley?

Regards to all

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