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CS, on my 27 I added a salt water foot pump for rinsing in the galley to the other drain. I went into that drain above the WL with a double elbow that I silicone in place. Then snaked a hose down to the water. Worked great and no extra thru hulls.

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I do have an account at the Ericson site but I feel more interested in the people here. I made a few posts there and got some or no reply. I even got chastised for posting a question in the 'wrong section'. Nothing happened that I felt the need to continue the conversation there.
There is quite a bit of membership overlap across the Ericson site and this one, for the obvious reason, and as part of that overlap I found your observation incongruous with how I’ve experienced that site over many years.

Actually both ericsonyachts.com and moyermarineforum.com have many incredible, thoughtful, experienced, salty-in-the-best-way contributors, and both sites maintain spectacular standards for technical writing clarity, durable and clever repair methods, and personal civility. I found 11 posts from you, several of which were observations appended to old, long threads that didn’t seem to be seeking responses; several of which were A4 questions that were answered promptly and referred to this forum (we don’t talk much about A4s or any engines over there, or perhaps if there’s a lot of diesel discussion I just ignore it); and one about the original price of an Ericson 27 that I guess nobody knew the answer to. It all seemed pretty reasonable to my eye. I can’t speak to how a specific misposted question might have been dealt with because whatever it was seems to have been properly repotted, but the moderators are some of the most gentle, tactful people I’ve encountered online. There is no snobbery or attitude on that site (except, apparently, in the posts that Neil reads) and we all enjoy hearing repair stories from people like you who clearly have some, or a lot of, mechanical moxie. I have zero innate mechanical ability, but the existence of that website, and this one, are the primary reasons that I have been able to own, operate, and maintain my 49-year-old boat. I think you will find similar benefits with your boat.

I would be happy to mention to the moderators if a response from them about a posting location made a new member feel slighted. There was certainly no intention to be anything but welcoming to everyone.
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You may have noticed the members on the Ericson forum think their brand is superior to the rest. I'm not making that up, they really do. The fact is Ericsons are no better, worse, different, faster or slower than most of the competing production boats of the era.
Hey, we’re allowed to act that way on our own forum!! Just like we do on this forum!! Diesel owners find us insufferable, with our incessant jokes about whether they like the noise or the vibration better. Never gets old. You know what they say...people who live in fiberglass houses shouldn’t throw acetone.

Now, you’d have a point if the Ericson owners on THIS forum acted as though we think their brand is superior to the rest. I don’t get that vibe, but perhaps I’m blind to it with my 49-year-old boat that’s held together with West epoxy, Starboard, and Kiwi Grip. She’s the perfectest, of course.

The Tartan owners do sometimes push the envelope, though. YEAH YOU KNOW WHO I’M TALKIN ‘BOUT, with your fancy artisanal ballpoint pens that get put on TV, your extra boats lying around just because you might need a part some day, and your snobby exhaust systems that never burst or melt. It can be a bit much.
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CS, on my 27 I added a salt water foot pump for rinsing in the galley to the other drain. I went into that drain above the WL with a double elbow that I silicone in place. Then snaked a hose down to the water. Worked great and no extra thru hulls.

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Oooh. That’s good. Never thought of that. Did the extra plumbing in the orifice slow the drain rate down appreciably? Did gunk from the drain ever get sucked into the pump?
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Hey, we’re allowed to act that way on our own forum!! Just like we do on this forum!! . . . . . Now, you’d have a point if the Ericson owners on THIS forum acted as though we think their brand is superior to the rest.
I'm a member on the EYo forum even though I'm not an Ericson owner. I was invited a few years ago to bring industry experience to the party. I mainly lurk, contribute very little. And you're right, I've never seen anything like that on this forum.
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My observations of EYo are probably more related to my needs and personality. Have nothing against them.

I'm a new owner who knew little to nothing about this boat, but learning fast.
Didn't know anybody or have any idea what to tell people on the EYo site.
Discussing about having an Ericson, where I live, and where I was going with it were not helpful to the problem of fixing it.

When I posted about engine issues on EYo I was directed here, correctly.

Here I got help fixing it. The feedback was totally supportive. I felt welcome.
That's what was/is important to me at this point.

If you've read this thread, you've seen the amount of work that's been done so far.
I'm a very mechanical type person. This site gave me what I'm interested in.

Just one of those personal choices. I don't mean to slight anyone.
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Sure, Bill, I'll snap a picture.
The sink does go to the thru hull beneath it but via some sort of weird PO-Rube Goldberg pipe kind of thing. If it ever causes me problems I will simplify its routing. In the mean time it works and I go sailing.
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The sink does go to the thru hull beneath it but via some sort of weird PO-Rube Goldberg pipe kind of thing.
I wonder if that is some kind of backflow preventer.
The thought occurred to me if I directly connect the drain to the thru hull and open the valve, there's nothing to stop water from coming up into the sink.
Not even sure if the sink is above the waterline. I think it is.

This is why I'm asking questions before touching anything.
Its entirely possible that contraption failed and they removed it intentionally.
I'd hate to hook it up direct only to find the boat sitting on the bottom next time I visit.
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Cajun, your static waterline is at the main cabin seat level. The sink being only slightly off the centerline means these's no risk of backflooding hard on stbd tack either if connected directly to a thru-hull.

BTW, all thru-hull valves on my boat (5 thru-hulls) are kept closed unless the associated system is in use and ALL valves are closed when the boat is unoccupied. It's the first line of defense.
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FYI - I took a quick look at the Ericson forum. That forum and this one may not be perfect, but if those are the only two places you go, you have no idea how bad it could be. Some sailing forums require one to have a very thick skin and tolerance for pornographic suggestions on what to do with your problems if you want to stay on them.
I truly enjoy this refuge from that kind of thing
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I concur with Joe on the 2 forums and with Neil on sink back flooding. On hard stbd tack my sink gurgles but never any back flood. Come to think of it I think it does the same on port tacks. Bottom line: it's above heeled water lines.
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Please don’t interpret my observation of some Ericson owners’ elevated opinion of their brand as a criticism of their forum. Like here they conduct themselves honorably with a passion for helping each other out.
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Since the engine runs pretty reliably(has started on every crank since adjusting points), the shifter now works as needed(so I don't hit a piling again), and a fresh clean fuel tank(that doesn't leak) is now installed, I going to try to go motor around the marina this Sunday. A mechanic friend wants to come along. If no issues, I may actually head out to Lake Pontchartrain and raise a sail. Saturday is supposed to be bad weather.
If you're bored see where the boat is on Google Earth, I'm at South Shore Harbor Marina, New Orleans, LA.
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Done lots of fixing, its time for a trial run.
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Doesn't matter to me what kind of boat you have.
Doesn't matter what forums there are.
All that matters is you are here and personally care enough to help when needed.

All the net does is let you see who people really are without anything getting in the way.
Its a pretty safe bet that if you are here helping, you're a darn good person outside this forum as well.
The good people will always outweigh the others.

Thank you.

Its sort of like fishing.
Keep the good people and throw the rest back.
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Tenders, I never had a problem even in some pretty nasty stuff. I did have the OB model with a cutout at he CL of the cockpit for the OB. I did not like that and mounted mine on a slide bracket and used the cutout for a boarding ladder when at the island~worked great.

BTW I used 3/8" poly for the down shot in the drain so it was not to big around anyway.

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Please don’t interpret my observation of some Ericson owners’ elevated opinion of their brand as a criticism of their forum. Like here they conduct themselves honorably with a passion for helping each other out.
I have an elevated opinion of C&Cs. I think everyone should have an elevated opinion of their boat, otherwise how do you get motivated to spend all your money, get cut up, get epoxy in your hair, and otherwise torment yourself to make the old girl work again
(kind of like if your old VW rusts, off to the junkyard, but if your old Porsche rusts you blame yourself for not taking better care of the car. Nevermind the Karman factory made both bodies with the same steel and the same workers )

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For me, it is the smell of fresh diesel in the morning.....

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Mike, me too. I know run a Yanmar 4JGH3~56HP@3600. No real smells unless down wind motoring or changing out fuel filters. Mine is very well insulated and still not as quiet as the ole A-4 at hull speed in my ex E-35 MKII. Loved that boat and owned it for 34 years. We'll see if the new Bene holds up as well if I live that long.

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The shrimp boat I had originally came with a 454 chevy.
I would go out with 75 gallon main tank, 40 gallon 2nd tank and an 18 gallon 3rd tank.
Would burn most of that in a typical trip.

Motor started puffing smoke out the valve covers.

Spoke to several shops and every one said it would take $10,000 to pull the chevy and install a diesel.

Couldn't afford it.

So I went to junkyard and found a 6.9 ford diesel cheap. Did all the conversion from chevy to ford myself.
Invented several parts to connect the marine trans and chevy barr exhaust marine manfolds to the ford heads.

After about $3000 i was happily going shrimping with only the 75 gallon main tank and using maybe 1/2 of that on a trip.

So I can speak about both sides of the gas/diesel discussion.

At my marina there is a guy with a 30 something Beneteau I've made friends with.
He took me out on his boat a few times as lessons.
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Hi Bill, here's a pic or two of the sink drain. Why a PO put in a valve in seems to indicate back flooding in the past. But I have never closed the valve and have never experienced any sea water coming up in the sink, no matter how heeled over.

Why he or she used a, what is it, half inch, valve, is unknown. Perhaps the set up is, like you said, designed to prevent back flood. Maybe it's just stoopid. It does slow the sink draining though. Someday I plan to simplify it- but that day is not today- I'd rather go sailing.

In the pics the thru hull is maybe 8" aft of the sink drain and slightly inboard. The valve thing is dumb as far as I am concerned.
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Awesome photo. I can see where the valve can be a safety thing.
At least its not a specialized contraption that can't be replaced/repaired if needed.

Thats a busy location in your boat!
Mine is almost empty under the sink.

Thank you sir.
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"Thats a busy location in your boat!
Mine is almost empty under the sink."

I'm jealous.
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That is odd. The bronze fittings and installation look pretty well-founded, but then a stock gate valve instead of a marine grade valve...?
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Saturday was a washout due to cold front moving thru the area.
Didn't go to the boat.

Went to the boat Sunday but the wind was so strong, would have been suicide to leave the slip.

Brought brand new marine battery to replace old auto battery as bat2.

Tried to get the portside cabin top handrail off in one piece.
Was not successful. Of the 7 bolts that held the rail in place, 3 were rotted thru and thru.
Was removing the handrail to try to refinish/repair it.
Since 93" teak is hard to get, seriously thinking of getting a piece of oak to replace the handrail.

Did start the motor. Cranked right up with a little choke. Sweet sound.
Thats about it for now.
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Cajun, I feel you pain. Nearly all of the wood on my Newport was in some form of decay or delamination, so all of it is now off. Since I'm not one that feels the need for a lot of wood surfaces in my boat, the plywood inside is getting replaced with (sacrilege coming...) lower priced exterior grade AC plywood.

I'm planning on epoxy sealing the parts then giving them a few coats of polyester modified aliphatic acrylic polyurethane. Man, that's a mouthful, I could have just said Sherwin Williams Acrolon 218 HS, but that'd be no fun.

As for the trim, compression post, and assorted finish pieces, I'm planning on using red oak coated with low viscosity, non-blushing clear epoxy to assure its waterproof. The couple of projects I've done that to in the past have held up very well, so long as they're not exposed to sunlight. Epoxies hate sunlight. The epoxy works like "pumped-up" varnish with excellent moisture protection for all the interior wood.

On outside solid wood, like hand rails and trim, AwlSpar Varnish has been my goto. It works great and hold's up quite a long time.
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I'm a good mechanic but wood is not my strong point. Type of wood and best coating for outside use certainly welcome. I figure if I can get 10 years out of replacement handrails that would be good enough. Also found
'plasteak' that will make custom matched handrails with wood colored plastic material for about $1 inch. They will even cut it to match your existing rails.
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