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USCG Fuel Line Shut-Off Valve Requirements
Interesting - USCG regulations at 46 CFR § 182.455(a)(4) state:
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- Bill T. - Richmond, VA Relentless pursuer of lost causes |
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I wish I had seen this quote before the boat show. I've never seen or owned a boat which complied with this requirement. You sure it applies to vessels of the size and type which are relevant to us?
Bill |
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That is one thing I've been meaning to research and determine, actually - exactly which USCG standard do apply to small pleasure craft?
I haven't made the time to do it yet. But Part 182 of title 46 of the CFR contains these requirements. Section 182.130 says "As an alternative to complying with the provisions of this part, a vessel of not more than 19.8 meters (65 feet) in length, carrying not more than 12 passengers, and propelled by gasoline or diesel internal combustion engines, other than a High Speed Craft, may comply with ABYC H–2, ABYC H–22, ABYC H–24, ABYC H–25, ABYC H–32, ABYC H–33, ABYC P–1, and ABYC P–4 (all eight standards incorporated by reference, see 46 CFR 175.600) as specified in this part." So clearly there are at least some standards in Part 182 that apply to small boats - i.e., less than 65 feet long. But another question I want to determine is how the requirements apply to an old boat, like mine, that was built before a lot of the current requirements even existed. Typically, uniform safety requirements such as these will apply only to items (e.g., machines, cars, household appliances, etc.) manufactured after the regulations were published. I have not yet found anything indicating a requirement to retrofit or upgrade existing boats. This is another thing I've been wanting to research. Here's another one: Quote:
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I do. One at each of two tanks, one at the engine immediately ahead of the carburetor with the handle outside the engine space.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others Last edited by ndutton; 10-18-2011 at 06:38 PM. |
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Neil:
Built that way? Bill |
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Oh no. There's very little left on my boat that is factory original. It's part of my purge/polish system, another side benefit.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others |
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Well, duh, yeah, I figured you would. I was talking to the slightly less obsessed.
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- Bill T. - Richmond, VA Relentless pursuer of lost causes Last edited by ILikeRust; 10-18-2011 at 07:19 PM. |
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OCD baby! And not afraid to admit it!
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others |
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It's not something I added. The boat came with it, but I suspect it's not stock. The boat has had eight previous owners.
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Without a valve ahead of the carburetor you're counting on the float valve to hold back the tide. A float valve failure is exactly what happened to me which is when and why I installed the additional shutoff. The Coasties had nothing to do with it.
Walking down the dock and smelling gas fumes from outside your own boat will give you religion, take my word.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others Last edited by ndutton; 10-19-2011 at 09:56 AM. |
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I have one petcock - if I'm recalling correctly, it's just ahead of the big filter canister. I always shut it off before leaving the boat - it's on the checklist.
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edit: Bill, I haven't found the exact language but I think C.F.R. 46 from which you're quoting pertains to commercial vessels as referenced in the heading, Shipping and elsewhere as Vessels Carrying Passengers.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others Last edited by ndutton; 10-18-2011 at 09:39 PM. |
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Uploaded with ImageShack.us The valve sits right on top of the tank, connected to the dip tube partially seen in the photo. There is another manual petcock just before the filter and carb. Last edited by Loki9; 10-18-2011 at 09:30 PM. |
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This looks neat and I wouldn't mind adding one. Seems easy enough to tie it to the ignition. Or maybe the oil pressure switch which feeds the electric fuel pump would be better.
Anybody got a price on one of these? Looked up something similar on the web for $37, how much is the Fuel/Trol? |
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Yeah, I have to do the research. If there's one thing I know how to do, it's research and interpret regulations - it's been my primary job for over 20 years now. Just have to find the time to figure these out. The key is not in the headings, though - the key is in the definitions and any applicability provisions. Our vessels carry passengers, no? Maybe not "for hire," but they are "vessels" and carry "passengers" - but again, I have not determined either way whether these standards apply to our little pleasure craft. And as I mentioned above, the other question is how/if they apply to old boats. Yeah, like I don't have enough to do already, without another regulatory research project.
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Bill, I'm betting your OCD is greater than or equal to Neils....you'll make time!
Following this thread with interest, as are many, I'm sure. P.S. That was a compliment.
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I have one valve at the tank and one at the Racor filter.
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I am currently running a outboard tank in my boat, it sets on my main walking floor, which is in the open. I am aslo running the quick connect on it.
The tank's bottom sets inches above the carb, so a full tanks level is almost 12 inches above the carb. I don't have a main shut off installed except for, I just unplug the tank when I kill the engine, and take the tank with me home after the trip. ( not sure that any of that is coast gaurd approved, and if I still need a valve, when I can just reach down and un hook the outboard tank. My fuel filter water seperator is about or just below the level of the carb. I just got the boat going a week ago, so I am ready to take better measures.. If you saw the 12.5 mph thread you can see thats it's not a sailing vessel,, but anyway.
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