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Old 12-18-2018, 09:47 PM
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FB A4 group has engine for sale

There is a FB group for Atomic Four engines.
I keep telling the guys to come here, but you know FB.....

Anyway, there is a guy selling a "rebuilt" atomic four.

Just passing the info. I think he wants 2500 and is in SC.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2082...f=group_header

I just wish we could all be on one site......
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:29 AM
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I can't afford to be on Facebook. Having to take the computer outside, burn it, and bury the ashes in an unmarked grave after every time I access it adds up after awhile.
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Old 12-19-2018, 03:30 PM
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... but you know FB.....
No, I don't.

"Just say NO."
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:40 PM
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I've seen and posted to the FB A4 site - don't like it. I think what I'll do is write up a standard blurb (save it to my desktop) to direct the FB folks to the Moyer site. Perhaps we can spray them with something to get the FB stink off them - after that they should be fine.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:04 PM
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I'm not a Facebook guy either but there is a pretty active Catalina 30 FB group so about three years ago I joined under a pseudonym, Poopdeck Pappy. I watched the group's postings to get a feel for what they were about and a few months ago started participating. The recent V rudder thread here was a product of the FB C30 group.

A week ago I received a message from FB that my pseudonym was not acceptable, either I change to my real name - - and prove it with a government issued I.D. - - or else they would deny any attempts to log in. I had 7 days. Well, today was the day, log ins fail and return the same message to change my FB name. Fat chance of that.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:26 PM
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Be careful of group think, at least that's what we called it back in the 90s.

I wonder what the average age of Moyerites are vs Facebookers. Some of the kids (less than 50) on the FB site have know idea how old school forums work and probably don't like the work required to get a picture up or share something. Just imagine a 30 year old on a yahoo group. Remember those.

Anyway I'm in both places. One trick with FB is to have an account with no friends, have ad blockers, flash control, etc, (can any of you i people have these things ) to access group FB accounts. And never send a message via FB.

This forum is much easier to search and has a much larger wealth of knowledge but there is some interesting things on the FB site also. Try it, if your not satisfied in 30 days I'll refund your money.

Damn, Google just figured out I'm on the Moyer forum right now. Plus the NSA has been monitoring me since I got some letters confused sending BobM a message.
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Old 12-20-2018, 12:03 AM
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What is this Facebook you all keep speaking of?!??!
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Old 12-20-2018, 04:45 AM
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What is this Facebook you all keep speaking of?!??!
Here is the one I mentioned:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cata...ailboatOwners/
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I went in and looked at the Facebook group that you guys were talking about. One of the common things I saw was complaining about the prices shopping here. I don't like marine prices either, but doesn't that kind of go with being a boat owner? Boats need better quality than ACE Hardware parts and they cost more.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:53 AM
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My wife won't let me do facebook. Says I'm not mature enough. Perhaps when I get older she'll reconsider.
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I went in and looked at the Facebook group that you guys were talking about. One of the common things I saw was complaining about the prices shopping here. I don't like marine prices either, but doesn't that kind of go with being a boat owner? Boats need better quality than ACE Hardware parts and they cost more.
Long ago, when I had purchased my first sailboat (a San Juan 21) and was bemoaning the high cost of parts and services, an older relative (and sailboat owner) explained it to me. He said "Ed, you're a Yacht owner now, and they don't want to embarrass you by presenting you with a small bill."
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I assume you all know about Facebook selling access to all your private messages, right?
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Facebook is like the lottery. On Facebook, don't post anything you want to keep private. On the lottery, don't spend any money you can't afford to lose.
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lat64, You and I (and Neil) might be the last three people in the world without FB accounts. I am sidetracked enough, I don't need it.

However, my wife is on a Catalina 30 FB group, and it might even be the one Neil references, and she is always showing me some crazy stuff...Once in a while I have some wisdom to pass down thru her, but I never go there myself.
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As I said, I wasn't a FB guy before, won't miss it now. According to FB, for them to allow me to log on (after three years of zero issues I might add) I am now being required to edit my FB name to the name I use personally every day and provide documentation to prove it. They even gave me a list of acceptable documents that includes a bank statement, a check, my Social Security card, a photo I.D., a professional license, college degree, credit card bill, etc. Maybe they'd like a copy of a recent colonoscopy too.

Yeah, like I'm going to provide any of that to an internet social media company already in dutch for security breaches and known for selling off such information.

About the C30 FB Group, at least the one I know, they started up to rid themselves of the problems that had developed on the old Yahoo forum. One of the founders invited me to join explaining that certain problem members from Yahoo would never be granted membership. They held true to their word but dock/internet expert problems have crept into their group anyway. Again, I won't miss that in the least.

Thank goodness for Moyer Marine.
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Newport Owners group has a site there as well. Not a book face guy either but tag on with some others log in info. Some info there is good, but most of it just causes me to shake my head in wonder that these folks are actually going to take a boat out on some body of water. At least the coast guard and Tow Boat US folks are keeping busy.
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To FB is "no look". I believe it is based more on most users social inabilities and not just for info and camaraderie like here.

My wife is on FB for hours every day a real social being. I just don't "get it" or want to waste my free time staring at a screen and gossiping.

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I'm a light FB user, and generally consider it a waste of time. It has impressive "convening" capabilities - gathering a group of similarly-minded people together to do something constructive over a short period of time, for example, overthrowing a government, planning a reunion, sharing vacation pictures. It is really not that good for maintaining specific relationships, for example, an assembly of boat or engine owners. There are exceptions, but in general there are too many distracting/competing interests on FB, too many ads, not enough moderation/curation, and is not designed for archiving.

I recently picked up another DIY-maintenance hobby not as cool as sailing, but still pretty cool. After three months I removed myself from a prime message board forum behind it, in favor of Reddit, another social network that is inferior to this "forum" format but is not quite as bad as FB. This has given me a new-found appreciation for why this forum works so well, and in keeping with the holiday season would like to express thanks to our sponsor and fellow members for creating such a helpful and interesting destination. Here is why I think this place works so well:

- Moyer Marine's commercial interest and sponsorship puts somebody clearly in charge. This seems like a simple thing, but forum management by committee, or by a federation of otherwise unrelated users, or by nobody, turns everything to rust. Also, the low but constant degree of maintenance that has been applied here over time really shows when you have other things to compare it against: links, embedded graphics, search, etc. virtually always work.

- Up-front user screening. We don't see a lot of whacko/spam posts, but my God are there a lot of them out there. Kudos again to Bill for what is surely a high degree of thankless, faceless, constant filtering.

- Constructive-only feedback option ("thanks"). It is tempting to think a "thumbs-down" option would be helpful on chatboards to keep people in line (not that this has ever been needed here, in all seriousness), and maybe track users' net thumbs-ups and thumbs-down to gather public "karma" scores - nosiree, this is not a good thing. It stirs constant confusion, misunderstanding, and discontent. Keep the tallies positive, handle any negatives with direct feedback/discussion or behind-the-scenes.

- Absence of pointless discussion of polarizing topics like politics, religion, and guns.

- Peerless expertise. From the baseline of the biblical Moyer Manual, and extending to thousands of posts especially from a few dozen high-quality, high-involvement, high-EQ individuals, this is a definitive, searchable repository of incredible depth of A4 operation and maintenance expertise.

So: let it be known how thankful I am that this forum exists and how much I appreciate its design and execution. My first years with an A4 from 1991 through about 1995 were pre-internet, and those were dark and confusing times indeed when anti-A4 sentiment was at a peak and was not without basis. I would never have been able to keep this puppy running so nicely without the internet connecting me to Moyer parts support and, ultimately, to this group of sage and supporting experts. Happy holidays.
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