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  • joe_db
    Afourian MVP
    • May 2009
    • 4474

    Tachometer Odd Issue

    My VDO tach finally died after acting odd for a year or two. They are not cheap, so I took a chance on a FleaBay Chinese knockoff for $25.
    It fits the 85mm hole exactly and has nice red lighting, so far so good. What wasn't good was it would sit at 0, sometimes go to 2500, or sometimes go to 3,000. All totally unrelated to what the engine was doing

    Before sending the thing all the way back to China, I decided to Google-Fu some repair ideas and found out something interesting - these low RPM tachs that read to 3 or 4 thousand RPMs primarily go on diesel engines and primarily read off the alternator AC tap. That is a much cleaner waveform than what comes off the ignition coil. I could move the connection to the alternator, but a couple of other ideas found online looked promising. VDO themselves suggests using a diode in the line and another person used a 10K resistor. I found a 5K resistor on the boat and tried that and it worked
    I'll have to calibrate it to my timing light/digital tach, but for now the suggested ratio setting seems very close, idle is about 800 RPM and full throttle about 2400-2600. You would go nuts using one of these in a car, the needle is damped enough that shifting at a certain RPM would always miss.
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    Last edited by joe_db; 03-19-2020, 08:11 AM.
    Joe Della Barba
    Coquina
    C&C 35 MK I
    Maryland USA
  • ronstory
    Afourian MVP
    • Feb 2016
    • 404

    #2
    Joe--

    Did you move to the AC tap and add the resistor of did you keep the tach input on the coil?
    Thanks,
    Ron
    Portland, OR

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    • joe_db
      Afourian MVP
      • May 2009
      • 4474

      #3
      It is on the coil. I wanted to see if that worked first and it seems to
      Joe Della Barba
      Coquina
      C&C 35 MK I
      Maryland USA

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      • ronstory
        Afourian MVP
        • Feb 2016
        • 404

        #4
        thanks for the clarification.
        Thanks,
        Ron
        Portland, OR

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        • tenders
          Afourian MVP
          • May 2007
          • 1440

          #5
          Which eBay tach did you buy, and where did you put the resistor?

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          • joe_db
            Afourian MVP
            • May 2009
            • 4474

            #6
            This one:
            Be suitable for all kinds of tacho RPM sensors, and display the rotation speed of the engine. -IP67 waterproof and dustproof grade. -Operation mode: LCD display, stepper motor. -Functions: current tacho/RPM and hour.


            The resistor goes in the lead from the tach to the coil. 5K seems minimum to get a reading, I am going to try a 10K I found in my supplies too and see how that does.
            Some VDO tachs suggest a diode, I have some and might give that a try as well just to see if it works.
            Note that if you buy any Chinese stuff now, it might be a long time getting here! Do keep in mind about 5,000 vendors that come and go sell these things and similar, I am not really saying this one vendor or gauge is a great idea - way too soon to tell if it holds up. On the good side, if it doesn't I am only out about $22 or so.
            Last edited by joe_db; 03-20-2020, 07:55 AM.
            Joe Della Barba
            Coquina
            C&C 35 MK I
            Maryland USA

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            • sastanley
              Afourian MVP
              • Sep 2008
              • 6986

              #7
              OK...I am intrigued...
              Bringing this back to the top.

              I am not an electronics guru..My Dad is (long retired) a EE. He taught me to read resistors when I was a little kid, but it didn't stick.
              Will something like what you put in your car when you convert from incandescent bulbs to LED in the blinkers be enough resistance to make the tach work on the coil? I will have to rebuild my gauge pod, but it is a brownie pan and a HDPE cutting board..not too much work.
              Last edited by sastanley; 01-07-2021, 11:09 PM.
              -Shawn
              "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
              "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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              • joe_db
                Afourian MVP
                • May 2009
                • 4474

                #8
                No, most car LED ballast resistors would not be anywhere close to 5,000 ohms. PM me your address and I'll send you some resistors, I have a ton sitting around.
                Joe Della Barba
                Coquina
                C&C 35 MK I
                Maryland USA

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                • sastanley
                  Afourian MVP
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 6986

                  #9
                  Thanks, Joe! now I just need to order one of these and wait and see how it goes.
                  -Shawn
                  "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
                  "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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                  • Bayou Sailor
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2020
                    • 51

                    #10
                    Hey Joe,
                    I purchased a similar tach for Margarita. There are times (maybe 50%) that it reads correctly, and times it wanders all over the place. I know absolutely nothing about resistors and diodes and such. I have the single wire alternator on the engine. Do you think I could try hooking the gauge the the alternator for a correct reading? Thanks.

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                    • joe_db
                      Afourian MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 4474

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bayou Sailor View Post
                      Hey Joe,
                      I purchased a similar tach for Margarita. There are times (maybe 50%) that it reads correctly, and times it wanders all over the place. I know absolutely nothing about resistors and diodes and such. I have the single wire alternator on the engine. Do you think I could try hooking the gauge the the alternator for a correct reading? Thanks.
                      Sorry - missed that post. If you are still having this issue one year on, get a 5,000 ohm resistor from Amazon for a buck or two and splice it into the wire going to the coil.


                      Well there is inflation, so $6 now
                      Joe Della Barba
                      Coquina
                      C&C 35 MK I
                      Maryland USA

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                      • Bayou Sailor
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2020
                        • 51

                        #12
                        Hey Joe,
                        just out of curiosity, could the fact that I am still running points and not electronic ignition be causing the problem?

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                        • joe_db
                          Afourian MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 4474

                          #13
                          I too am running points. The issue seems to be these tachs are mostly targeted at customers with diesels and using the AC tap. The ignition circuit is quite a bit dirtier.
                          Joe Della Barba
                          Coquina
                          C&C 35 MK I
                          Maryland USA

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