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  • jacques debauche
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 38

    #31
    Hot Section Insulation

    I'm surprised at the angst about finding appropriate insulation for exhaust hot sections. MMI sells just the thing - give Don and Brenda some business in appreciation for their services to us Afourians.

    I used the MMI woven glass tape on our Tartan 30 exhaust which runs within two inches of the plywood mid-ship bulkhead for about 18 inches (as well as within inches of most of the important electrical wiring on the boat). Being a "belt-and-suspenders" engineer, I used two layer of the wrap, and the resulting surface temperature is low enough that the tape can be touched (briefly) during operation. If you get the MMI product, discard the supplied clamps which are worse than useless: use SS worm clamps instead. The insulation will smoke for the first few hours, but not to worry.

    An alternative for the very wary is molded magnesite insulation which comes as two half-cylinders which are clamped around the metal pipe. If you want to go that route (and I don't know why you would want to unless you had an installation where the hot section runs very close to a flammable surface), a few minutes on Google will find you a local supplier.

    Any glass wool insulating product is something I would keep as far from my A4as possible, preferably not on the boat at all. It's not good for machinery, it's not good for skin, and it's not good for the lungs.

    The advice that we have already heard on asbestos is good. Asbestos, particularly long-fibered white asbestos as was most common in North American insulation products, is innocuous unless you snort the dry dust into your lungs. Keep it wet, and it won't fly around. It's not poisonous, nor is it carcinogenic in the chemical sense. However, those tiny fibers (blue asbestos is tinier, hence worse) stick in the lungs and cause irritation which can become cancerous, particlarly when chemical carcinogins (e.g. tobacco tars) are present. This mechanism may also apply to finer-fibered grades of glass wool.

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    • gfatula
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 136

      #32
      Originally posted by Baltimore Sailor View Post
      My old wrap was probably asbestos. I took it off, threw it in the trash and washed my hands real well.

      Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral. If one worked around it a lot to the point where one could inhale the mineral fibers over a long period of time, you might want to wear a dust mask. But the amount you'll pull off your hot section and the length of time you'll be around it are inconsequential to any health issues. It's not poisonous and it's not radioactive.
      Baltimore is correct. The danger asbestos poses is the inhalation of its smallest particles into the deep lung. It occurs over time in environments contaminated with asbestos dust. Coarse asbestos is not toxic to handle. The problem with asbestos is its mineral structure. It can bifricate endlessly and be reduced to such tiny fibers they can penetrate to the deep lung. Tiny irritating spicules that get stuck there. If you suspect something is asbestos wrapped just contain the dust, wrap it up and toss it. Wet it if that will help.

      George
      gfatula
      s/v Tundra Down
      Seal Harbor, Maine

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      • ndutton
        Afourian MVP
        • May 2009
        • 9601

        #33
        To further George's excellent information, having been exposed myself I've done quite a bit of research on the subject.
        • Microscopic fiber length seems to be a factor. There is a narrow range of fiber length that results in health problems, others not so. How can you tell if your asbestos is of the dangerous length? You can't so to err on the side of safety all asbestos is considered dangerous.
        • Of the friends from my boatbuilding days that have passed from Mesothelioma, smoking was a common and perhaps aggravating factor.
        • There is a gestation period from exposure to the onset of symptoms, around 20 years. Once symptomatic, it progresses rapidly. One friend fought it for a couple of years, another was gone in 6 months.
        Last edited by ndutton; 11-30-2014, 11:02 AM.
        Neil
        1977 Catalina 30
        San Pedro, California
        prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
        Had my hands in a few others

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        • roadnsky
          Afourian MVP
          • Dec 2008
          • 3101

          #34
          Originally posted by ndutton View Post
          ...Every physical exam includes a chest X-ray for this reason. My last exposure was 39 years ago so it looks like I beat the grim reaper.
          Hopefully, still all good!
          -Jerry

          'Lone Ranger'
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          1978 RANGER 30

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