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  • ArtJ
    • Sep 2009
    • 2175

    spare engine seeping fuel around 2 rear plugs

    I started up my spare engine today and noticed gas seeping out
    around the 2 rear plugs while running. I also noticed this
    in spring startup. The engine sits unused in the garage.
    Last winter i converted it to facet electrical fuel pump.
    I by passed the opss to prime fuel system. Possibly ran it
    too long ? The plugs seemed tight but i did not torque
    them. Only checked with a wrench . Engine appearedto be

    running fine, however did not pull plug wires.
    \
    is it under torqued plugs? Stuck valves or simply too
    much fuel pressure? My guess is torque of plugs.
    Probably won't run again for a while, but appreciate

    suggestions

    best regards

    art
  • Al Schober
    Afourian MVP
    • Jul 2009
    • 2007

    #2
    art,
    You'll have to tell me what plugs you're referring to - picture would be nice.
    Can't quite visualize gas leaking out around spark plugs without it pouring out elsewhere - like the throat of the carb.

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    • ArtJ
      • Sep 2009
      • 2175

      #3
      Hi al the spark plugs .

      I couldnt believe it either, i didn,t notice any gas pouring
      from carb but didnt specifically look. It seems that flowing
      from carb would be a much easier path of least resistance.

      The engine only runs a few minutes twice a year

      regards art

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      • JOHN COOKSON
        Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
        • Nov 2008
        • 3500

        #4
        Are the little washers that come with the spark plugs present?
        I don't know how you can have a leak around a spark plug without loosing compression.

        TRUE GRIT

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        • ArtJ
          • Sep 2009
          • 2175

          #5
          I was wondering if just not being tight enough or worn threads
          in head could cause this. It was surprsing to actually smell gas

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          • ArtJ
            • Sep 2009
            • 2175

            #6
            Can a running cylinder actually leak gas via loose threads
            - why would it not be ignited?

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            • Al Schober
              Afourian MVP
              • Jul 2009
              • 2007

              #7
              I'm having a real problem accepting the idea of gas leaking out of the spark plugs. The gas is vaporized in the carb (no longer liquid) and burned in the cylinders.
              You say you smell gas. I'd look elsewhere for a fuel leak.
              Any chance it's water that you're seeing? I'd recommend pulling those two plugs and checking for any cracking in the head. Perhaps install new plugs (and new seal rings) to eliminate that doubt.
              I can't help but think about the A4 owner that was experiencing water around the spark plugs. To shorten a long story, the water was coming from an overhead line - nothing to do with the engine.

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              • ArtJ
                • Sep 2009
                • 2175

                #8
                Hi al

                i was surprised as well. I wiped it off and more seeped up
                around the plug. I smelled and it smelled like gasoline.
                I could always be mistaken or smell a mix?

                What things are possible to seep up the plug hole?
                Can a stuck valve or rings
                be a source? Can the water jacket ?

                IF THE PLUGS ARE NOT FIRING (UNSURE OF THIS) COULD FUEL COLLECT IN CYLINDER ( 2 CYLS INVOLVED)
                AND BE FORCED OUT PLUG HOLES , ESPECIALLY IF LOOSE THREADS?


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                Last edited by ArtJ; 09-14-2015, 06:15 PM.

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                • lat 64
                  Afourian MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1964

                  #9
                  Sounds to me like two separate problems; a too-rich fuel-air mix, and a leaking spark plug seal.

                  My best guess is: the choke is on for the whole run time.

                  Engines like to be run. Give it more time, and confirm choke is off when you do.
                  sigpic Whiskeyjack a '68 Columbia 36 rebuilt A-4 with 2:1

                  "Since when is napping doing nothing?"

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                  • ArtJ
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 2175

                    #10
                    Since engine is not in boat, the choke spring returns it open
                    when not held closed it snaps open instantly.
                    After we sort out the suggestions i will drag the engine out again
                    tighten plugs better. Btw, just remembered i used some 50 to
                    1 outboard gas to start engine today, doubt this was the
                    problem . Tightening plugs - will that cure or mask the problem?

                    Thanks best regards

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                    • JOHN COOKSON
                      Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 3500

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ArtJ View Post
                      Tightening plugs - will that cure or mask the problem?
                      Thanks best regards
                      When you take the plugs out chase the threads. You can get a thread chaser at your local auto parts store.
                      I'm still wondering how gas got outside the engine around the spark plugs.

                      TRUE GRIT

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                      • ArtJ
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 2175

                        #12
                        Will do

                        is a thread chaser like a tapered thread tap?

                        Are they all the same size?


                        Best regards

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                        • hanleyclifford
                          Afourian MVP
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 6990

                          #13
                          Art - The threads are 14 mm. The tap is available at the auto stores. After you chase the threads use a shop vac to suck the junk out of the cylinder. New plugs with new gasket rings correctly torqued are a good idea. Don't forget to lightly oil the threads with light machine oil.

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                          • ArtJ
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 2175

                            #14
                            Originally posted by hanleyclifford View Post
                            art - the threads are 14 mm. The tap is available at the auto stores. After you chase the threads use a shop vac to suck the junk out of the cylinder. New plugs with new gasket rings correctly torqued are a good idea. Don't forget to lightly oil the threads with light machine oil.
                            thanks

                            do you have any thoughts on why gas seeping up threads ?

                            Best regards

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                            • hanleyclifford
                              Afourian MVP
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6990

                              #15
                              Art - I suggest you do a compression test.

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