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Old 02-10-2013, 06:14 PM
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that's a good news
..well, next weekent I will disconnect the propeller shaft and at this point I will be ready to yank the motor out of the boat......still no idea how to accomplish that......
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You could probably build some kind of an A-frame over the boat...It may also be cheap and/or more convenient to rent a cherry picker for 1/2 a day. The full up engine is about 315 lbs., the block itself is still heavy, but not that heavy.

I'd get a couple of nylon straps and devise a sling around the oil pan, and be sure to secure the slings so the engine can't slip out as it is hanging.

Got any buddies with a small crane in the back of their pickup (seriously..something like this??) Or a buddy that works for the local cable company or some similar utility with a bucket truck??

One of those little gardening carts with real tires would be a great transport and storage method.
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I've had some nightmare scenarios with easy-outs. they're no stronger than the bolt that was broken (probably less). so when you do get a good grip with one, the same rules apply as before - heat, oil, heat, wiggle, repeat, - you get the idea. the good thing I see is that with the cover off it will be easier to apply heat to the block around the bolt. use a mapp gas torch. they should come out OK. Then again, if they're sticking out on the inside, that part should be cut off or they should be driven forward, through the block maybe?
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:50 PM
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There are several threads here and on other sailing forums (fora?) about hoisting the engine out of the boat using the boom (won't work with your non-sail boat) or A-frames built out of standard home-center dimensional lumber, etc.

Is there a big tree nearby?
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Old 02-12-2013, 02:59 PM
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...when I get the block out of the boat I will use Kroil, easy out and drilling out...whichever gives the results
....motor is located under roof...so I need something that will go inside and lift it up.....right now I am leaning toward pickup truck crane (found one at $140- at Harbor Freight Shawn ) ....but have to make sure that it will have enough reach...I will mount it on 4x4 tripod ...I think have to wait for the weekend to find out
.......for now I am entertaining myself at work by cleaning mechanical pump...the bowl looks pretty good now...the top part is now giving in yet
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:29 PM
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Lightbulb random thoughts

2dogs..most of our engines (not mine) are under the cockpit. So..they must be slid forward first, out from under the stairs into the cabin of the boat first, and then lifted out of the companionway, and then aft out of the boat.

Once you disconnect the engine mounts and propshaft coupler, you could probably figure out some method within the confines of the area you have to work with to: lift the back of the engine onto skids for sliding aft...or...pull the front of the engine up & forward onto skids out of the hole....cover the hole and then slide it back to where you could lift it out, etc. those are just a few suggestions from the pics I've seen...

Other options include, temporarily removing the roof, or maybe removing a window to facilitate pulling the engine forward to get it out of the engine hole to slide back, etc.

Can you get a bottle jack under the motor (is the keelson strong enough?) and jack up the back end of the motor to slide it out on a plywood skid, and then out, etc.??

I can think of all kinds of backwoods/redneck engineering ways to get the motor out.
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Is the boat in a garage? You can put some extra support to the ceiling and use a come along to lift the engine up. Just pull the boat out from under the engine after that.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:13 PM
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boat in a "tent" type of garage....will rednek it out of the boat with come along and a tree
...everything is just rusted and horribly dirty/grimy
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:35 PM
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broken bolts were rusted into the block....had to drill all of them out.
First with 1/8, than after centering the hole as much as possible with 1/4" carbide double cut burr - drilled the rest with 1/4" drilll.....just .007" under F drill for 5/16-18 thread size......now have to get tap and make new thread....wander how that is going to go
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Yeeeup.

Just for grins, today I spent about 3 minutes fooling around with the extremely rusty, grungy Atomic 4 I was given a while back.

Since that side of the engine was facing me, I decided to see what would happen if I tried to unscrew the jacket side plate.

I had this thread in mind.

Aaaaaaand.... predictably .... the first two bolts I tried twisted the heads right off.

So I stopped.

But I'm gonna assume that's what's going to happen with all of them. So when I finally get around to actually going forward with working on this engine, I'll be right behind you, doing the exact same thing...
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:35 PM
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Bill,

Nothing was going to free them...one thing I didn't try was welding torch and electric welder.....

Have 5/16-18 bolts and nuts ready to make studs of of them....check out this original copper washer
If 5/16 thread will not work I will have to go to 3/8-24......let's hope will not have to do that.

Would love to have another Atomic to play with ...there was one for sale on the forum in my area, but there was someone interested already....aand I have enough projects as it is
Due to not much time before boating $ea$on I am going to get stronger valve springs, rebuild carburator and fuel pump and call it good......see if and how the motor will work this summer and go from there
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2dogs...great pic of your work...be careful with the tap..you don't want to ruin what's there..I'd recommend a thread chaser set first to see if it will dig out the old junk in the block...and see how that goes..it is not as aggressive as a full tap.
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good call Shawn!

I will look into getting thread chasers tomorrow.....

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done with carb and gas pump rebuild..... cleaner was dissolving paint on carburetor...mess... carbs had lots of gunk inside etc...
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2dogs, looking good.

If you haven't found one already, I found my thread chaser kit at Sears. On buggered up threads I always try it first before resorting to the tap.
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I was looking at thread chaser kits but decided to go with regular taps...as it turned out the bottom tap was working better than plug style.......as long as I was carefull and going slow, I was always able to pick up the original thread, and after that it was just like taping.....WD40 substituting for cutting fluid was working good too.

ALL 8 holes cleaned up great.....SS bolts are fitting little too loose for my likings ....so I will go with GB weld

This week I will cut bolts to size, and I will be ready to hone valves next weekend....that will be the extend of my rebuild this season...I want to run the motor this summer and see how I like the boat.....

So all I need to get is: gasket set, stronger valve springs, and 6V battery and I should be ready to start the motor
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I JB Welded all of my studs into the block for securing the water jacket side plate..it just made sense...keep at it!
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Thanks for the encouragement Shawn !
........the project is going so incredibly slow ...I see other people are rebuilding motor from ground up in two postings ...
I was thinking about changing 6V system to 12V...but I think I am better off to get 6V battery - it will be faster and cheaper for now....I can tackle that project later on...
Went with my wife to near by State Park ....15 min from our home....Pacific Northwest is very beautiful ..lucky to be living here
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It is beautiful there!! I did a San Yuan Islands charter a few years ago. It was beautiful and filled with wildlife, just no wind. I motored all over the place and did not sail. The seals were so much fun.
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RC,

we don't have much wind in summer here.....but Fall, Winter and Spring we get lots of it
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started looking at drive shaft and stuffing boxes...need to open them up and see what's there
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new studs finally in.....
Brass fitting not supposed to rust into the steel....???
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Whenever you have dissimilar metals in contact in the presence of water - especially salt water - you will almost certainly have galvanic action, which will corrode and weaken one of the metals.

For marine applications, red brass is ok, yellow brass is not. "Red brass" is actually a type of bronze, which is corrosion resistant, whereas yellow brass is not.
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My motor has an original hand pump for pumping oil out of oil pan......I hope it is made out of red brass...

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My motor has an original hand pump for pumping oil out of oil pan
I have one of these in my spare motor and one on my spares shelf. It is a way cool thing. I plan to install it on the boat as soon as I figure out a good place to put the return hose from my oil filter. I have the indigo system installed exactly as designed. Any suggestions out there?
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