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Old 12-03-2008, 10:21 AM
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Hi Mark,
I have more hard black gunk on my housing than green...most of the green seemed contained around the water pump, but the physical condition of the thermostat housings seem similar. You did seem to have a fair bit of corrosion in that old piece.

I am also a little worried about the top half of the fuel pump. I see that (of course) a replacement is available from MMI if I need one of those as well.

I need to do a little scrubbing and scraping and cleaning to see if it is surface problems or if they go deeper into the pieces. I am a little tied up with other projects (not boat related) for the next few days, so these things will have to wait a bit.
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busted block drain

Well, I decided to take a little time and go to the boat today, in anticipation of tomorrow's forecasted snow. I am working on finishing up the exhaust replacement, and also new cooling hoses everywhere.

I pulled the alternator so i could get to the 1/2" hose behind it for replacement. While I did this I fiddled with the block drain nearby. I seem to recall that it had been 'repaired', so I investigated. It turned a few turns and came off. The block looks nasty here...can I run a tap in to clean it up and put in a new nipple?

This will also be a good time to get my brush out and get some old scale and rust off the engine.

here's a pic of my new exhaust flange and hot section! Don't mind the muffler location. I had it backwards anyway when laying this up...the same length of hose that was there before will still fit when I spun it around.
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more parts! - water jacket side plate

Well, I can't leave well enough alone, so rigspelt & some of you other fine gentlemen convinced me to yank my side plate off and have a look-see.

As someone else noted, it smells like Chesapeake mud, with some sediment and stuff hanging out in the back half of the engine, but overall not too bad.

I am not usually on the beneficial side of luck, but yesterday was OK. All of my bolts came out without breaking!!! - however, the P.O. did 'upgrade' the alternator bracket bolt with a slightly larger, probably 3/8"?? bolt. What I also found inside is no diverter cap, and a nice 1/4" thick collection of stuff on the side plate, so I guess it is just randomly squirting along in there. I do not recall overheating problems with the engine, but I've also only put a few hours on it myself. Just need to clean it up and wait for the gasket & other parts to show up. This also gives me the excuse to clean this side of the engine up..it was especially nasty with scaling metal and leaky water deposits from oversized hoses and loose clamps around the water pump, & possibly a slight leak out of the side plate..can't be positive though. Hopefully, this will solve it.

So, I had a great conversation with Ken today, and decided to add the grade 8 bolts, a diverter cap, and also the bypass valve, since the real reason I got to the sideplate was to replace the hoses.

Yay! and only half a boat buck too!
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paint!

While it was warm this week, I painted. Need more orange paint!!!
Here are some pics. I started a separate thread -->here<-- about the thermo housing..i think from my research and the pics others have posted in this thread it may be no good. The thermostat itself works just fine in a pot of water, but there is no longer a good seal in the top of the housing from corrosion, and I think there should be.
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Great colour!

Shawn - that's an awesome colour, to borrow an enthusiastic adjective from my teenage kids. I would have gone for that if I could have found it. Which paint is it?

I'm trying to find some posts in the archive that I read a few months ago regarding how to judge the thermostat housing condition. Will post over there if I do.
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Shawn - that's an awesome colour, to borrow an enthusiastic adjective from my teenage kids. I would have gone for that if I could have found it. Which paint is it?

I'm trying to find some posts in the archive that I read a few months ago regarding how to judge the thermostat housing condition. Will post over there if I do.
What paint is that!!?!

Everything is beautiful! Nice work.
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:18 AM
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Duplicolor

Duplicolor "Orange Mist" - it was the closest I could find, except it only comes in the little cans. I am having the local Advance Auto get me three more cans.
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mmmm....orange mist

OK, My local Advance Auto got me three more cans of "Orange Mist" Duplicolor.
That should be enough to finish the 'accessories', and a good coat on the motor, once I scrape all the sludge & rusty parts off. If not, it is about $5/can, so I just get some more.

It is just a smidge brighter than the standard Universal orange that if I actually get the motor back together and running, it should look pretty good!

Rigsy, I have a 17 year old daughter, so I speak teenage really well myself

I am especially proud of the fuel pump I've cleaned up from ne57301 that showed up already in pristine condition- Thanks stickboy!!
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Masking engine bits with tin foil

Just before I started painting the engine, I read about using bits of tin foil to mask little awkward engine bits that are hard to tape off. It worked great. Things like bolt threads, intakes, odd-shaped items.
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Thanks rigs. I'll keep that in mind.

Today looked like the best day for about the next 5 so I took the afternoon off to do some boat work.

I completed the exhaust today, since my fiberglass elbow arrived from Centex yesterday. I decided to pull the hose back out from behind the icebox, and double wrap it in 'header tape' since I have 50 feet of it..this is the same tape I'll use for the hot section of the exhaust..I only needed about 15 feet to do the icebox area, and was able to get it back in behind the icebox with my inspection port I cut in behind the stove...a common theme among the Catalina 30 crowd. Hopefully, this will work out OK and help keep the hose cool near the icebox!!

One of the other issues I discovered today is the threads on the aft block drain (near the accessory drive) are shot! No good...no threads left. I am hoping JB Weld will solve this problem with my new drain tube. Any better ideas?
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One of the other issues I discovered today is the threads on the aft block drain (near the accessory drive) are shot! No good...no threads left. I am hoping JB Weld will solve this problem with my new drain tube. Any better ideas?
Drill and tap it a size bigger? Then you could either step back down to the original size or just follow through with a bigger tube and cap.

To be honest, I'm glad to have a small part toward such a great project. Keep up the good work.
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If I can find a 'next size up' tube, that's sounds good to me!

& thanks...I realized today as more stuff was flaking off the block how bad the old girl is feeling. She seems to be moreso rusting from the outside, in

I vow to bring her back to life
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pipe nipples

I found some more info here on the MMI forum, & ne57301, you're right. Drill out and tap 1/4" nipple.

http://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1579

I even found 1/4" brass nipples and Lowe's just started carrying taps. They had a 1/8" & 1/4" pipe tap! (I already had 1/8" & the handles from another store.) This sucker is BIG compared to 1/8"

OK..I am hoping to get a little work done on the boat before this next weather front comes thru here on the East Coast. I'll try to remember the camera.

One other thought that just occurred to me: but now I've forgotten.
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One other thought that just occurred to me: but now I've forgotten.
Hope that doesn't come free with Senior Member status on the Forum.
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Ahhhhhh....NO!!!!! I am only 37!! Wait a minute...what year is this?? OK..37 it is still...whew!

Also, since this is my rambling thread. My 'polishing filter', between the fuel pump & the carb is a Fram G3606, which according to Summit Racing is a 10 micron filter. It ain't quite 2 microns, but I think this engine will be happy considering what it has had in the past (basically the screen in the mech. fuel pump)
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update

OK guys,

I spent most of the day on the motor. I installed the Moyer thermo kit today. No problem getting 30 lbs/ft of torque on the fancy shoulder nuts with the new studs.

Next step was to tightened up the water jacket side plate and reinstall the starter and alternator, however, the bottom aft bolt twisted out. (stripped threads!!)
I decided for now, I will tap the next size bolt in (7/16" I think??) which is currently holding. If it fails, I'll get the Moyer stud repair kit.

I forgot the bolt to tension the alternator belt, so this pic shows the alternator just hanging out, hand tight. The polishing filter is on, and all other accessories pretty much on. Still plan to move the ammeter to the engine compartment, and install the tach in that general area as well prior to furniture re-installation.

Last weekend I completed the hot exhaust section, and wrapped it and sprayed it with the fancy 1500F silicone stuff. It looks all nice & silver anyway...dunno if it will help dissipate as it claims..

I am still waiting on the 3/8" NPT to 5/8" hose barb fitting for the water pump inlet, and I need a proper 1/2" anti-siphon for the manifold/exhaust connection, so there are a few missing pieces.

It is getting there! The blue tape are labels for the wires so I know where they go!

edit - Don't worry..the current orange plugs are backups that were installed for painting. I have the non-painted (new) spark plugs to install before firing her up.
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Good work, Shawn - nice to see the update. Exhaust looks nice: wish mine was done. I'm checking out getting a short section of stainless flex pipe installed in place of one of the nipples, to reduce engine vibration damage. Can't finish it until I get the new cockpit drain throughulls installed, so I can see where to route the stack.

We're going along in parallel. Now that the deck and hull are done, I'm back to finishing up the engine. Two days ago, I spent the entire day lining up the pulleys on the new alternator and the new second water pump for the Indido FWC kit - quite the 3-D puzzle given I had a bulkhead in almost the worst place. Got the new FWC heat exchanger installed yesterday. Hardest part is anticipating where to put the new parts, like a jigsaw puzzle. I dry-fitted the prop shaft too: engine alignment looks great (phew). Slow going at this stage, eh? Spring looms.

Which bolt was stripped -- on water jacket side plate, or another part?
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Yes, the lower, aft water jacket side plate bolt was stripped. It was OK at hand tight, I installed the plate last week and put in the bolts hand tight to let the sealer set up. I was afraid with the condition of the block & plate, the gasket wouldn't be enough to seal it on its own. Yesterday when I put a wrench on the bolts to complete the installation, the lower aft one stripped out.

And probably not coincidentally, the drain tube for the block, just underneath, was also stripped. It had actually stripped out years ago, and was held in place with Marine Tex. After digging thru this site for suggestions, I tapped a 1/4" pipe nipple into that as well. Compared to the 1/8" nipple that was there, it is a big monster and barely clears the accessory drive pulley.

I am currently training for a 10K run next weekend, so I gotta go for a jog. After that I plan to head back over to the boat and I'll try to finish up the engine work and snap some more pics with things in 'proper order'.

Good luck with your stuff, I still have to sand the bottom & prep it for paint.
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OK, so, where does the curly wire from the coil go? Remember, I had a bastardized charging system and I am trying to make it stock again.

I have a wire hanging out on the alternator (underneath the paint I can see it is yellow!!) that has no home yet, so maybe it goes there.

I'll dig around the site and look at some pics to try and figure it out.
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I have a wire hanging out on the alternator (underneath the paint I can see it is yellow!!) that has no home yet, so maybe it goes there.
I don't know if this might help:
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Hey Rigs,

I even have a post in that thread. Thanks, it id help. Looks like my guess that it was the exciter & it hooked up on + to the coil was correct. When the old alternator had all these extra wires running to it, most of the original ones were taped off so it was hard to tell where they were supposed to go.

So, I may try to fire the engine up today after work. I have all the parts to test run (some stuff arrived from McMaster Carr yesterday to complete the cooling hose hookup)
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Thumbs up it runs!

Well, I got it started today! Base tuning per the MMI manual, and no fiddling and I got it to run.

I had a couple of buddies come over and give me a hand. Thanks to Robert & Larry, (I think Larry had an A-4 in a previous life..the engine seemed very familiar to him. He has a Catalina 42 now.)

I had only minor issues regarding starting procedures:

When I pressurized the fuel system with the bulb, which was a great addition, the mech. fuel pump spurted a leak at the gasket at the top of the bowl. Except for being messy, it was relatively easy to fix. Took the bowl out, dumped the fuel, reseated, tightened, and no more leaks. I suspect I may have gotten the screen crooked in there on the first try. I wonder with the Racor & a polishing filter if the screen is even necessary anymore??

Choke/fuel - It was a little bit hard to start, and the first three times it started with full choke, ran rough, sputtered, and would die without the choke. Then it would kinda run OK with half choke, and finally it ran just fine and restarted with no choke!

Water pump - At first we couldn't get the water pump to prime and suck water. I had a bucket and probably 6 feet of hose laying next to the engine, and then was refilling the bucket with the garden hose. I had to blow on the hose, suck water thru the hose, and stick the hose nozzle in the intake hose to get it to go, but it did finally start sucking water.

Temp & Oil Pressure - The temp gauge ran between 140 - 165, the oil pressure was above zero, maybe 10, but something I've never seen was up around 2,000 rpm it was over 35. That is GREAT! I pulled each spark plug one at a time, and noticed a discernible difference with each, so each cylinder is providing something.

Only other issue - my "free" alternator from another C-30 owner that has repowered, did not work. No amps. - I'll be taking that bad boy, along with my original amp , which worked but the regulator was busted, to the local alternator shop tomorrow for testing.

So, at least if they get the 12 boats between me & the travel-lift splashed, I can probably make it back to the dock, after I had half the engine in the garage for the winter! - I apparently got the base timing OK & the electronic ignition installed correctly, & have fuel & compression, so she runs!

I took a couple of short movies, but they were pretty crappy, so I won't bore you with trying to post them.
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Bravo! Thanks for posting your experience. Couple of things there I need to keep in mind for our first fire up in May.
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Wohoo!

Great job Shawn!!!!!
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Note to self (and others) My local Autozone has no idea what to do with an alternator that doesn't have a part # in their database, even though I explained it was off a boat and probably wouldn't show up, and I was hoping they could just put it on their machine to see if it was putting out voltage. They were on the way home from work , so I thought I could get them to toss it on their machine, but no luck. "I am sorry sir, I can't do anything without a valid part number..the number you gave me shows up as a fuel filter for xx"

"Ok, thanks for your time, I'll find someone who can help me."

I have a few of the shops around with the dog chilling out inside, so I'll try them tomorrow I guess.
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