How NOT to store an Atomic Four

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  • Ram41662
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2017
    • 158

    How NOT to store an Atomic Four

    Okay, now that my Newport 27 is at my shop I thought I'd move her inside to thaw out the inch plus layer of ice inside the cabin. I thought "what the heck, while I wait for everything to melt so I can bilge her, I wonder what her engine looks like from a little closer..."

    Well, the answer is down below. Yup, that's an Atomic Four Popcicle we have there folks. I was slightly waffling on whether or not to pull the engine. This view ended that: she's coming out for a proper overhaul and some much needed TLC.
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  • ndutton
    Afourian MVP
    • May 2009
    • 9601

    #2
    Please perform the cooling system pressure test before disassembly. You may save yourself a lot of time. By the way, the horn is Capital Yachts' substitute for a proper gauge panel. It replaces the buzzer on a Cole-Hersee type oil pressure and water temp alarm. Originally the boat had a single gauge - fuel level.

    WOW, how many butt splices can we see? And a gate valve, YIKES!
    Last edited by ndutton; 12-19-2017, 11:22 PM.
    Neil
    1977 Catalina 30
    San Pedro, California
    prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
    Had my hands in a few others

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    • Ram41662
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2017
      • 158

      #3
      Yeh, it's a bodger's wet dream. My initial plan is to give myself a proper full set of instrumentation and a clean wiring harness.

      I'm not sure why I wouldn't want to pull the engine. With it out I'd have better access to the shaft so I could more easily install a dripless shaft seal system and clean up any problems that might be hiding back there. I could also address adding some vibration dampening engine mounts while I was at it. I did a similar job on my old '77 Sea Ray 270. It greatly reduced the engine vibration.
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      • tenders
        Afourian MVP
        • May 2007
        • 1440

        #4
        I couldn't tell if that was a horn or a wayward doorknob!

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        • Ram41662
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 158

          #5
          Yeh, that is a goofy looking horn. Why would anyone opt for such an inefficient alarm system? I'd like to see a gauge, indicator light and maybe a klaxon that could be heard from anywhere on the boat in even poor conditions.
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          • JOHN COOKSON
            Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
            • Nov 2008
            • 3500

            #6
            You could go with the gauge and keep the horn as an audible alarm for low oil pressure.

            TRUE GRIT

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            • Hymodyne
              • Feb 2013
              • 376

              #7
              pulling is good

              I received an A4 in a similar condition, swamped and sitting in water for a while inside our Pearson Triton two summers ago. Tearing her down, I discovered a crack in the block, and was able to source two engines from which I was able to make one. Lots of parts for early and late model engines. Get a manual. Good luck with your project and hurrah! for your thoughtful wife!

              James

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              • Oldlaxer1
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 189

                #8
                Originally posted by ndutton View Post

                WOW, how many butt splices can we see? And a gate valve, YIKES!
                Sure looks like a wire nut at the lowest point of the bilge also.
                John Novotny
                1973 Tartan 30 #186
                Baltimore, MD

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                • sastanley
                  Afourian MVP
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 6986

                  #9
                  Ram, be sure to peruse the store area of Moyer Marine..that is really their bread and butter..we are just a bunch of weekend warriors (mostly) helping each other keep our boats running.

                  There is a very nifty alarm/warning system that accents the original Cole Hersee hi-temp/low pressure alarm. If you are starting from scratch, I'd recommend you might as well incorporate this kit when re-building the engine electrical system. If you have pieces missing, Moyer also sells the other parts too (buzzer, switches, etc.)

                  The EWDS - Part # KTAS_01_564

                  -Shawn
                  "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
                  "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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                  • Ram41662
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 158

                    #10
                    James, thanks for the encouragement. And yeh, she's a keeper.

                    Oldlaxer, you haven't seen a fraction of crappy wiring. There are butt splices and wire nuts everywhere! I counted 4 butt splices on just one wire run. This guy was something special.

                    Shawn, I have been already looking at several items from Moyer as well contacting Don as to pitfalls I might run into. Damn, that guy isn't only nice, he's damn knowledgeable too.
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                    • joe_db
                      Afourian MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 4474

                      #11
                      I hate butt splices. In my experience they are much more likely to fail than any other kind of crimp fitting. I have very few left on my boat.
                      Joe Della Barba
                      Coquina
                      C&C 35 MK I
                      Maryland USA

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                      • sastanley
                        Afourian MVP
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 6986

                        #12
                        Ram, if you haven't already, wait until you talk to Ken in the parts department..everyone at MMI knows their stuff.

                        I highly recommend calling Ken after you assemble your list..#1, he gets paid to answer your calls, & #2, he will help make sure you don't forget something, like that pesky gasket for the thinga-ma-jig.
                        -Shawn
                        "Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
                        "Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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                        • Ram41662
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 158

                          #13
                          Thanks the tip on Ken. As seen below, MMI has seen this engine before. I'm working with them now to determine when and what was done to it.
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