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Hull ID 1968 Newport 30
Hi all, not Atomic 4 related, but alot of sharp folks here. Anyone have an idea on where to look for my hull ID? its a Newport 30 built in 1968 hull number#20 so its one of the first. looking to get it USCG documented and they want the hull ID? i know its hull #20 from the title. is that the number the USCG wants. thanks
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'69 Newport 30 MKI Hull #20 |
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Boat,
Not sure when hulls started to be marked. Usual spot is upper stbd on the transom, but my 1973 Tartan is marked port side, just fwd of the transom and up high. Why the desire for CG documentation? I'd be happy with a valid state title - allows you to sell the boat. Planning on going foreign? |
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it was not a requirement until 1972. before that it could be anywhere. going foreign, yes.
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'69 Newport 30 MKI Hull #20 Last edited by Boat; 03-22-2017 at 11:52 PM. |
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Hull I.D. numbers didn't become mandatory until around 1972 or 1973. That's also the first time they appeared on Newports, located on the upper stbd corner of the transom. The numbers were made by a Dymo label maker with the vinyl tape loaded backwards. Once impressed the negative tape was affixed inside the hull mold and left a positive imprint in the gelcoat of the finished hull.
Your boat was built by Lindsay Plastics a few years before the molds were bought by Newport dealers Bill Smith and Jon Williams who launched Capital Yachts around 1970 or 71. If memory serves, Newports were briefly built by Enterprise Yachts in Santa Ana between the Lindsay Plastics and Capital Yachts eras.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others |
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'69 Newport 30 MKI Hull #20 |
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[snarky comment] The way they determined hull #20 is they popped 19 hulls out before yours. Believe me, the builder and the designer (Gary Mull) kept close tabs on the number of hulls produced. He received a royalty for each one. edit: Not all builders molded the hull I.D. into the fiberglass. Catalina at least for a while affixed a builder's plate inside the transom identifying the model and hull number. Next time I'm at the boat I'll take a better picture. I'm thinking you might do the same to satisfy the documentation overlords.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others Last edited by ndutton; 03-23-2017 at 09:53 AM. Reason: Added hull I.D. plate info |
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Gary 78' Catalina 30 #1179 www.svknotaclew.wordpress.com |
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Wow that came out big.
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Gary 78' Catalina 30 #1179 www.svknotaclew.wordpress.com |
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lol got a great view of yours, but my boat doesn't have one of those either.
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'69 Newport 30 MKI Hull #20 |
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I'm suggesting you follow the Catalina example and make your own builder's plate. Take Gary's picture along with a crisp black and white Newport namestyle and have a chat with a trophy shop. You can stamp the model (N30) and hull no. (20) yourself, maybe add the year built for an added look of authenticity.
Counterfeit? Yeah sure but will it achieve the goal? It should.
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Neil 1977 Catalina 30 San Pedro, California prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22 Had my hands in a few others Last edited by ndutton; 03-24-2017 at 08:27 AM. |
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It's not counterfeit, it's retrogressive authentication!
....To the best ability of His/her due diligence, a person of sound mind would reasonably conclude this documentation to be truthful and ....blah, blah, blah... The coasties must have seen this problem before. Just need to get the right person to help.
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Whiskeyjack a '68 Columbia 36 rebuilt A-4 with 2:1 "Since when is napping doing nothing?" |
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I'm with Russ & Neil. A thorough restoration.
The CG knows there's a large number of older boats that were made before the law. My 1971 was previously documented (as evidenced by a permanent number in my hanging locker) and the only thing I've got is a builders badge with the number '169' stamped into it. I would guess the question to be answered truthfully is: "Is there a permanently affixed, unique identification number which identifies the manufacturer and the serial number of the hull?" Not: "Who put it there?" ;>)
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Jeff S/V Bunny Planet 1971 Bristol 29 #169 Last edited by BunnyPlanet169; 03-24-2017 at 02:39 PM. |
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BTW, the only place the hull number appears on my 71 Ericson is on the tiller escutcheon plate, where it was apparently stamped by hand. But... if someone ever did a tiller-to-wheel conversion, they might just throw that piece away. Some time when there is no pressing project to do (ROFLMAO) I might have a ersatz builder's plate made up. |
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Buy an electric engraver and engrave the information yourself somewhere on the boat.
TRUR GRIT |
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@(^.^)@ Ed 1977 Pearson P-323 "Dolce Vita" with rebuilt Atomic-4 |
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I think once you get hold of someone with the CG that understands that your boat was built prier to ID #s being required it should be fairly simple. The Marian Claire is documented. She is homemade so the only info the PO could provide was who built it, when it was built and what hull # it was. You have all that info and can get info on length, beam, draft, displacement, type of use etc. The only # on the MC is the documentation # issued to the boat by the CG. I had no issues with this set up traveling out of the US and no issues with the USCG here at home. FWIW.
Dan S/V Marian Claire |
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My homebuilt Westsail was documented like Dan's. Part of the documentation paperwork was a master carpenter's certificate that hit all the marks on the origin of the boat. The hull had no molded I.D. number, only the USCG registration number with the net tonnage permanently affixed inside a locker.
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