Hey everyone just wondering what type of fuel to use in my atomic4. The downloaded manual I have suggests 90 octane....In our area reg is 87 midrange 89 and premium ~92. I've know that you don't want to use anything with ethanol but just wondering what is the best choice??
Type of fuel for atomic4
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bcbristol, those old rating numbers are far different than todays. The 90 was an leaded regular grade of gasoline good for up to about 8:5 to 1 compression where as the new regular unleaded is good for up to 10:1.
Our A-4's are at 6.5:to 1 so finding a good fast burning fuel is problematic. Your best bet is todays regular unleaded without the ethanol if you can find it. If we could find some 83 rated regular things would be great.
You will make more HP and torque with regular fuel and such low compression. Running premium is a waste of time money and horse power.
Dave Neptune
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Shell v-power currently doesn't have ethanol in Canada ( I looked up BC) that's the high octane. Here in NS there's no ethanol in high test either. I have used high test in the A4 since the ethanol came out here in the lower grades...works fine.Mo
"Odyssey"
1976 C&C 30 MKI
The pessimist complains about the wind.
The optimist expects it to change.
The realist adjusts the sails.
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I am in the mid-Atlantic area and there are several retailers that sell NO-Ethanol fuel. Some are roadside and some are water based.
I've found https://www.pure-gas.org/ to be an excellent resource.-Shawn
"Holiday" - '89 Alura 35 #109
"Twice Around" - '77 C-30, #511 with original A-4 & MMI manifold - SOLD! (no longer a two boat owner!!)
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I used to fill my tank with 100 octane no-ethanol avgas for the winter. It does not absorb water, but other than that the engine ran the same as ever and I decided some fuel treatment was cheaper and easier anyway.Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
Maryland USA
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Joe, I just read an anecdote about an experimental aircraft that used ethanol blend and experienced engine failure purportedly due to water absorption in the fuel. Suddenly the report disappeared as I was about to ask a barrage of questions about it.Neil
1977 Catalina 30
San Pedro, California
prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
Had my hands in a few others
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Originally posted by ndutton View PostJoe, I just read an anecdote about an experimental aircraft that used ethanol blend and experienced engine failure purportedly due to water absorption in the fuel. Suddenly the report disappeared as I was about to ask a barrage of questions about it.
I told them it was a bad idea. The aircraft fuel system has a water separator and just like ours, it only works if the water will separate They went back to avgas after that or ethanol free fuel, which is the only auto fuel approved for (some) aircraft.Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
Maryland USA
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I'd be interested in knowing what testing connected this engine's failure to ethanol caused water absorption. If that were actually the cause, where did the water come from because it must have been a helluva lot.
What is different between the low compression engine in your anecdote and ours? My engine has been on a steady diet of E10 for at least 13 years and doubtless many more prior to my ownership without a single issue that was attributed to fuel contamination. Considering it has lived its entire life in the marine environment (the highest humidity), how can this possibly be? 1% MMO is the only additive I've ever used.Neil
1977 Catalina 30
San Pedro, California
prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
Had my hands in a few others
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Originally posted by ndutton View PostI'd be interested in knowing what testing connected this engine's failure to ethanol caused water absorption. If that were actually the cause, where did the water come from because it must have been a helluva lot.
What is different between the low compression engine in your anecdote and ours? My engine has been on a steady diet of E10 for at least 13 years and doubtless many more prior to my ownership without a single issue that was attributed to fuel contamination. Considering it has lived its entire life in the marine environment (the highest humidity), how can this possibly be? 1% MMO is the only additive I've ever used.
A lot of water indicates time to buy new fuel cap gaskets, but even with good ones it was not unusual to get a few drops of water in a plane I had flown the night before. Water can also freeze in fuel lines. A buddy of mine had an engine failure for just that reason and now his model aircraft have drains at a low point that did not have drains before. No one realized there was a gentle slope back up to the water separator from a few feet back and that was enough to trap enough water to freeze.
Last edited by joe_db; 06-21-2018, 08:57 AM.Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
Maryland USA
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Thanks Joe. That speaks to the practice I've applied all along about keeping water out in the first place rather than counting on filtration to manage it. I always felt filtration was the last line of defense, not the entire defense.
My fill plate O-ring is replaced bi-annually as regular maintenance, my fuel is carried via jerry jug to the boat from a high volume gas station, (a practice in clear violation of marina rules). In fact, I'm topping off a tank tonight under cover of darkness. Getting caught risks eviction but it's a risk I choose to take to avoid fuel dock swill.
I read nothing in your posts or the link you provided that positively connects this particular experimental aircraft's engine failure to ethanol or said another way, that ethanol caused the failure. However, digging deeper by researching an FAA SAIB referenced in the link I did find the treatment by the FAA prohibiting ethanol blends in piston powered aircraft:
Neil
1977 Catalina 30
San Pedro, California
prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
Had my hands in a few others
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