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  • Surcouf
    Afourian MVP, Professor Emeritus
    • May 2018
    • 361

    and if applicable, do not forget to close your cooling water seacock when doing compression test... or it could become a true wet test...
    Surcouf
    A nostalgic PO - Previously "Almost There" - Catalina 27 (1979)

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    • Ando
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2019
      • 246

      Originally posted by ndutton View Post
      A few questions/suggestions re: elevated heat:
      1. If installed, please remove the flow sensor until after troubleshooting is complete.
      2. How old is the water pump?
      3. Have you acid flushed this engine?
      4. Is a bypass valve installed? If yes, try removing the thermostat and closing the bypass valve.
      Yes, flow sensor is installed
      Water pump is brand new
      Yes, muriatic acid wash was done recently
      Yes as to the bypass valve. Ok I’ll try removing the thermostat and closing the valve and report back.

      But as to wet and dry compression testing as advised by Dave Neptune, I recall we did a dry compression test at the start of the season and at that time compression was as follows:
      1. 115
      2. 95 sparking stopped
      3. 100
      4. 100
      And I will be doing a wet and dry compression test after going over the steps above

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      • Ando
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2019
        • 246

        Update

        Flow sensor removed and replaced with straight water line. Found a couple small barnacles inside the flow sensor.

        Removed and checked both manifold input and output barbs (the input is a 90 degree barb but it was clean).

        Removed manifold and high pressure washed it.

        Oil changed

        Dry compression test results (from 1-4): 105, 100, 100, 100.

        Wet compression test results to follow (I will be using MMO).

        I have not removed the thermostat yet. Planning on running it after the wet compression test and seeing what the temp is at to see if the flow sensor removal did the trick.

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        • Ando
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2019
          • 246

          See comments directly above.

          Wet compression test results (I put MMO in each cylinder first, which wasn’t the best idea...should have put it in each individual cylinder prior to testing because the other three cylinders shot out MMO in the first test):

          Wet test 1: 200, 120, 120, 115

          Just to be sure
          Wet test 2: 165, 118, 120, 115
          *test 2 was done without placing any more MMO in each cylinder (ie I put MMO in each then tested each cylinder twice and so the MMO was probably all shot out during the first test of the first cylinder).
          Last edited by Ando; 08-01-2020, 03:55 PM.

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          • Ando
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2019
            • 246

            See comments above

            I’m not sure what “fouled” spark plugs look like, but here are mine:

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            • Ando
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2019
              • 246

              See comments above.

              Water flow is way way way better now. Now my temp gauge isn’t working, but I still have my temp gun and at ~15min of running time it reads between 160-190 at different point along the head, the manifold reads between 100-120 and the connection to the exhaust reads around 400.

              Edit: the temp gauge IS working, but only when the engine is off does it give me a reading lol. When it’s on, the pointer falls to below 100. So weird, right?
              Last edited by Ando; 08-01-2020, 04:46 PM.

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              • ndutton
                Afourian MVP
                • May 2009
                • 9601

                Please save the flow sensor as-is for me (tomorrow afternoon?).
                Neil
                1977 Catalina 30
                San Pedro, California
                prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                Had my hands in a few others

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                • Ando
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2019
                  • 246

                  Originally posted by ndutton View Post
                  Please save the flow sensor as-is for me (tomorrow afternoon?).
                  Yes, sir. I’ll be here.

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                  • ndutton
                    Afourian MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 9601

                    Forensic examination of the flow sensor showed a minor amount of detritus inside but nothing that restricted its movement, encumbered its function or affected its flow. I do not know if removal from the boat dislodged anything that might have been inside, just reporting the condition as I received it.

                    Do you have a raw water strainer installed (I think I remember you do)? What size is your intake thru-hull? Does it have an external strainer?
                    Last edited by ndutton; 08-03-2020, 09:50 PM.
                    Neil
                    1977 Catalina 30
                    San Pedro, California
                    prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                    Had my hands in a few others

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                    • Ando
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2019
                      • 246

                      Originally posted by ndutton View Post
                      Forensic examination of the flow sensor showed a minor amount of detritus inside but nothing that restricted its movement, encumbered its function or affected its flow. I do not know if removal from the boat dislodged anything that might have been inside, just reporting the condition as I received it.

                      Do you have a raw water strainer installed (I think I remember you do)? What size is your intake thru-hull? Does it have an external strainer?
                      Thank you, Neil.

                      I do not have a raw water strainer installed.

                      Re the size of the thru-hull intake: I have to go back and double check, but if I recall, it is 3/4”.

                      As for the external strainer, I do have this:

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                      • roadnsky
                        Afourian MVP
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 3101

                        Originally posted by Ando View Post
                        As for the external strainer, I do have this:
                        Ando-
                        Assuming you are currently in the water as opposed to on the hard, I would take a swim and check that external strainer.
                        Those are notorious for filling and clogging with stuff. Especially sea life.

                        It could absolutely be limiting your intake of cooling water.
                        -Jerry

                        'Lone Ranger'
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                        1978 RANGER 30

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                        • roadnsky
                          Afourian MVP
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 3101

                          Originally posted by Ando View Post
                          Flow sensor removed and replaced with straight water line. Found a couple small barnacles inside the flow sensor.
                          Neil-
                          Please note this comment back in post #138

                          Ando-
                          The fact there were barnacles inside the flow sensor would lead me to believe they are also living in that external strainer as well.
                          -Jerry

                          'Lone Ranger'
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                          1978 RANGER 30

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                          • ndutton
                            Afourian MVP
                            • May 2009
                            • 9601

                            That's why I retrieved the sensor for closer examination. When I opened it up there were no barnacles inside, only a few minor specks of greenish growth, none of it hard. Because of the condition of the sensor I immediately started thinking something else might be restricting the flow. Sensor autopsy pics attached.
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                            Neil
                            1977 Catalina 30
                            San Pedro, California
                            prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                            Had my hands in a few others

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                            • Ando
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2019
                              • 246

                              Here’s a pic of the barnacles I found, one (blurry in the foreground) and one in the back).

                              I had my diver double check the strainer a couple weeks ago and myself put a rebar down the thru-hull from the top that same day.

                              Thru-hull is, in fact, 3/4” btw.

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                              • ndutton
                                Afourian MVP
                                • May 2009
                                • 9601

                                That barnacle could certainly affect the flow but was not present when I got the sensor. I would like to see three things happen:
                                1. Remove the external strainer. Depending on the design it may mean a complete thru-hull replacement.
                                2. Addition of a raw water strainer instead. It is easily cleaned out inside the boat.
                                3. A fresh water flush of the engine when cleaning up the boat after a sail. With a flushing Tee and valve installed, it's a 5 minute process.
                                Neil
                                1977 Catalina 30
                                San Pedro, California
                                prior boats 1987 Westsail 32, 1970 Catalina 22
                                Had my hands in a few others

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