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sastanley 04-21-2010 04:46 PM

Indigo
 
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Check it!:D

I blame it all on Dave Neptune :cool:

thatch 04-21-2010 05:08 PM

Furniture?
 
Shawn,
Nice looking coffee table, so what else is new?
Just kidding, WOW! Tom

Dave Neptune 04-21-2010 07:56 PM

Nice
 
Not my fault, Shawn:eek:you bought it! All kidding aside you'll love it, especially how quiet it is in the water and how much steadier the rudder will be.
You gonna try the galvanic "clean albeit sacraficial prop" application? I still use a zinc and have my diver keep it brushed clean.

Dave Neptune:cool:

keelcooler 04-21-2010 08:41 PM

That's a keeper Shawn. I need one so I can brake my 1500 rpm ceiling. Please tell us the deal details $.

Triton106 04-21-2010 09:59 PM

I don't need the temptation, I cannot afford it.

This is evil. It's like putting glazed donuts in front of people who are trying to lose weight.

Kelly 04-21-2010 11:15 PM

I don't know about glazed donuts but if we look at the pictures carefully, there seems to be a case of beer, some Pepsi and cat food. With a prop like that, it's over for the donuts.

sastanley 04-21-2010 11:18 PM

wow!
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Neptune (Post 20833)
Not my fault, Shawn:eek:you bought it! All kidding aside you'll love it, especially how quiet it is in the water and how much steadier the rudder will be.
You gonna try the galvanic "clean albeit sacraficial prop" application? I still use a zinc and have my diver keep it brushed clean.

Dave Neptune:cool:


Dave,
I will do the zinc. I get claustrophobic under boats, but I can usually get up enough courage to scrape my own prop with my mask. (you veterans of the forum may remember, when I first bought the boat it was so slow & sluggish that I had a diver buddy with air clean it the first time & it made a world of difference). - The C-30 stock prop has TONS of prop wash on the rudder and it is noisy, etc...we'll see how it goes. I like the little winglets, and not being an engineer, but an observant consumer, it appears they should disperse some of the wash I get from the OEM 12" prop so close to the hull.

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Originally Posted by Kelly (Post 20841)
I don't know about glazed donuts but if we look at the pictures carefully, there seems to be a case of beer, some Pepsi and cat food. With a prop like that, it's over for the donuts.

You guys don't miss anything!!!
Don't forget the Coke Zero - I like to mix that in with my Sailor Jerry :) - I took this pic in the garage...I also get the luxury of the "old" front door welcome mats at the garage entrance as my wife changes seasons, and the cat came with the wife. She's a pretty good cat though, and we are thinking about taking the cat cruising with us, and that comes from a dog guy. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by keelcooler (Post 20834)
That's a keeper Shawn. I need one so I can brake my 1500 rpm ceiling. Please tell us the deal details $.

I don't want to give all of the details away out of respect, but Tom @ Indigo contacted me after following the "CDI prop" thread and offered me a deal that worked for my C-30 with a 1" shaft. I do know he had a couple other units, so give him a shout. I also bought the oil change/filter kit which I had been eyeing too...this might take care of my oil pressure problem, since Tom has hardware included to replace the stock Universal oil pressure ball regulator thingie.

I am in talks with my yard friend now about prop change...probably next month...gotta get the stick up first! It is still a sailboat!!!!

Ok - so maybe this pic will help Kelly. Notice, I try to not let the soda take too much room in the beer fridge....

edit- I will make a comment that one of my biggest concerns with this prop was it being a big-huge-three-bladed prop that I was dragging around under my sailboat all the time...it is NOT a big huge prop, and it is (speaking from a relative perspective) kinda small...which is GREAT for sailing. Sometimes pictures on the Internet are all about perspective...I have friends that know Tom and trust his engineering...which is why I jumped on the deal for this prop.

Kelly 04-21-2010 11:57 PM

Very nice. Keep that prop on ice and you may not have any problems with fowling once it's in the water!

I think that what makes me hesitate about buying a prop like this one is I'm worried my displacement hull would feel strange planing across the water.

sastanley 04-22-2010 12:01 AM

Ha ha. I sent this pic to a few sailing friends and one asked me which powerboat I bought with the prop - knowing full well my boat and its displacement? :rolleyes:

BTW - 10,500lbs on the C-30 with a LWL of 25'0". Even though this is a cruising boat, I try to keep her light, so maybe only add 500 lbs. worth of junk.

Dave Neptune 04-22-2010 03:59 PM

25'
 
Shawn, FYI I also have a 25 ft waterline however my boat weighs in around 15,200 pounds and the Indigo as I stated works fine. I also tow a 10' fiberglass lapstrake rowing dinghy most of the time.

You should notice the quiet and lack of buffiting right away. Is your diver going to install it for you?

Good luck Dave Neptune:cool:

sastanley 04-22-2010 08:32 PM

I will haul the boat for installation. I suspect I'll need a puller for the old prop which I am about 99% sure has never been removed. I have also noticed that I think I have an alignment problem too, so it is possible that I've ruined the cutless bearing. Visual inspection needed.

Tom gave me a good deal on this prop so I picked it up...I may not get it installed right away, but I decided not to pass up the opportunity.

Dave, the reasons you mention are exactly why I got the prop...we had a summer cruise last year that was mostly motoring..I had a bruise on the inside of my leg from the propwash!

thatch 04-23-2010 05:59 PM

The truth please
 
Shawn,
I'm envious of you for your latest acquisition. I'll be waiting for your reaction once It's installed since I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to hull and engine combo. I've been looking at the fridge photo and I think that rather than it being a "scale" shot, it is probably that you are just a little bit drunk with pride over your new prop.
Congrats, Tom

sastanley 04-24-2010 10:05 PM

Tom, I think you are right..I grin every time I see the prop...even as it just sits here in the garage waiting for installation :D

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thatch 04-25-2010 12:12 PM

"The Martians Have Landed"
 
Boy am I confused!
Tom

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marthur 04-25-2010 08:28 PM

The Indigo Prop is very nice, Tom Stevens does an excellent job with his stuff. I know you guys will enjoy your new props.

Fortunately, I get plenty of power out of my A-4 on the Catalina 27 "June Bug," so I think I will be sticking with my Michigan Sailor:

http://home.earthlink.net/~junebugz/prop_small..jpg

sastanley 05-10-2010 09:28 AM

getting the nut off
 
OK, so I hauled the boat. My Indigo prop is screaming at me to get it installed.

How do I get the 34 year old broken cotter pin (which appears to be bronze) out of the hole in the end of the shaft?

My set up looks very similar to marthur's prop pic above, except that his is clean and you can actually see what you are doing. I've already managed to break off both ends of the cotter pin. :rolleyes:

Dave Neptune 05-10-2010 10:13 AM

Stuck!
 
Shawn, if you can't "back up" the prop&shaft with something heavy and try a pin punch and a few solid blows. If it doesn't move try soaking the area with "Lime-away" or other similar bathroom scale product. You can try to "diaper" it with a baggie pulled up around the end of the shaft or patiently drip it in to the pins hole. It will eat away most of the corrosion and the offending pin should be easy to remove. You could also try using a bit of acid, the same stuff you would flush the A-4 with. Neither should hurt the shaft.

Careful if you use the hammer, when backing use something heavy and solid and have someone else hold against the shaft close to where you are working and strike solidly not necessarily "hard". You don't want to mushroom it.

You could also drill it out carefully if it is bronze, however if it is a stainless pin I would try the soaking method.

Good luck, David:cool:

thatch 05-10-2010 10:29 AM

Prop off, Prop on!
 
Shawn,
You should be able to use a drift ( normally a 1/8" will do) to drive out the broken pieces of key. It would probably be a good idea to have a second set of hands hold a buck (weight) on the opposite side to keep from banging the prop shaft sideways any more than necessary. Soaking the nut area with your favorite spray oil is always a good idea in areas like this. Next back the nut off a few threads but not all the way off. Leaving the nut loosley on the shaft will keep the prop from falling on the ground once the prop puller has done it's job. If the nut doesn't want to move then a nut splitter would be a better choice than damaging the shaft with excessive force. The most important part of the removal process is in finding someone with a good prop puller and the knowledge of how to use it correctly. Once you have successfully removed the old prop and cleaned the area use lapping compound to insure that the new prop seats comfortably on the shaft. The prop key should also be checked for clearance so that it does not keep the prop from mating to the shaft correctly.
Whew! Tom

thatch 05-10-2010 10:35 AM

Thank's Dave
 
Dave,
Thank's for the added "acid etch info". Most of my props are never on long enough for "critter growth" to be an issue.
Tom

sastanley 05-10-2010 11:43 AM

Thanks for the tips & ideas. I have a generic puller right now, and a buddy that has used it, so I'll have an extra pair of hands as well. I sprayed it thoroughly with PB Blaster yesterday before I left to give it a little time to work.

If I really get in a pickle, I may have to pay the yard to do it for me, since they will have better tools at their disposal, but my buddy is also checking to see if he has a drift pin small enough..

Guess I need to go search for 'lapping compound' to figure out what that is. :rolleyes:

marthur 05-10-2010 11:58 AM

Shawn,

I just drilled out my cotter pin. I noticed that one end was cracked and it broke right off when I tried to remove it.

My shaft is bronze, but the cotter pin was probably brass (it was significantly softer than the bearing grade bronze shaft). After drilling 3/16" or so I noticed the gunk holding it in was mostly at the ends, so I drove it out the rest of the way with a small drift.

If you can't get the old prop off, somebody here would probably be willing to give it a good home:rolleyes:

Good luck!

Mark S 05-10-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thatch (Post 21347)
If the nut doesn't want to move then a nut splitter would be a better choice than damaging the shaft with excessive force.

Amen to that. I found out the shaft can break with just minimal force.

Mark


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